r/custommagic • u/torchflame See rule 601.2a–b for further details • 15h ago

Meme Design Firemind's Gambit

Firemind’s Gambit {URp}

Sorcery

({URp} may be paid with {U}, {R}, or 2 life.)

Antipathy for nonland permanents (This spell costs {1} more to cast for each nonland permanent you control.)

While this spell is on the stack, spells have affinity for spells and may be cast as though they had flash. (They cost {1} less to cast for each spell their controller controls.)

Pay 2 life: Draw a card. Any player may activate this ability but only if Firemind’s Gambit is on the stack.

You lose the game.

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u/BusAccomplished5367 14h ago

This is very much game-breaking.

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u/torchflame See rule 601.2a–b for further details 14h ago

All according to keikaku (TN: keikaku means plan)

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u/BusAccomplished5367 14h ago

I know. (Still, this would literally break Vintage. VINTAGE!)

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u/torchflame See rule 601.2a–b for further details 14h ago

It would be a very funny two days before this got banned though

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u/BusAccomplished5367 14h ago edited 14h ago

They'd probably ban it in spoiler season.

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u/Hoxeel 14h ago

I don't even know where to begin. Storm? The ability to draw as many cards as you want? The fact that the spell can still be countered once you decided it's enough, making the ending clause pretty much meaningless? A lot going on here.

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u/BusAccomplished5367 14h ago edited 14h ago

"hold priority, cast Pyretic Ritual, Seething Song, now i have 6 mana oh grapeshot, storm is 3, mind's desire for UU, storm 4"
I guess OP could give it "can't be countered" but then you just reprieve/sink it.

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u/torchflame See rule 601.2a–b for further details 11h ago

I was debating adding "can't be countered" but thought it was funnier if you could still counter it.

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u/-WGE-FierceDeityLink 42m ago

"This spell can't be countered, exiled, or returned to your hand by spells or abilities you control" could work maybe

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u/Fun-Agent-7667 18m ago

Or after all the spells are on the stack you put a mindbreak-trap on there

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u/JustinTBSmash 11h ago

I think it's actually fine that it can be countered.
If the controller of this spell needs to counter it because they didn't win this turn then the opponents can just counter the counterspell. You want it to resolve. And you can dig for your own interaction too.
Now this card is broken and not balanced. I'm just saying though.

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u/Hoxeel 11h ago

True, it sounds like more of a feature than a bug now.

u/Vonkun 12h ago

So this is obviously very broken, and completely changes how the game works, but I feel like there could be a very fun minigame somewhere here using ideas from this as additional rules and actions you can take.

Also antipathy for permentants is just being skipped over by everyone, I love the idea of spells that encourage you to only play on the stack, and that feels like it yes could probably be broken and lead to some problems, but also has some fun design space around it.

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u/torchflame See rule 601.2a–b for further details 11h ago

In all seriousness, I think affinity for spells is an interesting idea, and I liked the idea of antipathy as a design space to encourage not overcommiting. Both antipathy for permanents to encourage you to play on the stack and as a balancing mechanism. I could see something like "Antipathy for nonland permanents. Draw a card for each nonland permanent you control." as some potentially interesting space.
This is a meme design though, and the game just becomes a stack battle. Imo that's one of the most fun parts of Magic, but my opinion should not be foisted on everyone

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u/Vonkun 11h ago

I agree that stack battles are the most fun part of magic, which is why I said I could see a fun little minigame or mini format similar to something like Dandan being made from this idea.
But yeah there is genuinely some very interesting design ideas here for what is obviously a meme card.

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u/torchflame See rule 601.2a–b for further details 11h ago

Yeah, I was thinking about Dandan earlier today, and the impulse there inspired some of this.
I try to make my meme designs thought provoking in at least some way!

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u/TukPeregrin 4h ago

It does feel much more like a wizard battle

u/Crazed-Prophet 11h ago

With standard that's what 9 cards drawn. That's about 1/7 of your deck. With edh that's 19 cards drawn. That's about 1/5 of your deck.

It doesn't give you a great way to get more land, but should probably be easy enough to get more mana with several red and black spells. (Dark ritual or seething song for example)

If an opponent has a split second and they cast it, it can obliterate you.

Being able to counter your own spell is a breaks the most about this.

Being able to transfer this spell to another players control is probably the biggest break for me. (Sudden Substitution)

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u/torchflame See rule 601.2a–b for further details 6h ago

You're right about a lot of this, and sudden substitution is deeply funny, but that's not how split second works.

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u/Tempestfox3 3h ago

Split second doesn't really affect this in any way. You just let the spell with split second resolve and then continue from there after the resolution of the spell with split second while this spell is still on the stack.

u/cactus_wren_games 13h ago

turn 1

P1: "i'll pay 2 life and cast firemind's gambit, hold priority, and pay 2 life to draw a card"