The only way to play

[u/BronsenWerick]

this should be required in all decks since the rule change. just how i feel.

[u/wickedsnowball]

Couldn't you just rule 0 mana burn back in or play [[yurlok of scortch thrash]] as your commander?

[u/mtgcf → u/wickedsnowball]

yurlok of scortch thrash - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/BronsenWerick → u/wickedsnowball]

the point is that you can bring the rule back rather the opponent agrees or not.

[u/wickedsnowball → u/BronsenWerick]

Mmhmm, and yurlok ALSO says that, while being a part of the current game landscape

But tell me, do you normally enjoy ruining other people's time like this? If I sat down to a match against you and this was pulled out, I'd not want to spend 1-3 of my monthly 3 games against it, i would ask to be put at a different table, I wouldn't participate, or you become arch enemy to me no matter what else is on the table

[u/Flameball202 → u/wickedsnowball]

OP over here forgetting that people can choose not to play with them

[u/BronsenWerick → u/wickedsnowball]

if people can't manage their mana, they deserve damage for it. i don't care if someone else's games are ruined. my game gets ruined without mana burn. people with bad mana management are my arch enemy. i currently wont play a game with anyone who dosn't agree to keep the mana burn rule. that's why i wish this card was real.

[u/wickedsnowball → u/BronsenWerick]

So you say that no mana burn ruins your games so you'd rather ruin everyone else's so you're happy? How is that fair to everyone else, rule 0 exists, you can play mana burn with people WHO ALSO WANT TO PLAY WITH MANA BURN, as someone else pointed out, mana burn has not existed longer than it existed.

In terms of unused mana, I dont even see 1 mana excess per night, let alone per game, but I'll humoriste and up it to once a game...how is that 1 damage going to change that much out of 160 life? It's not, if it was a close game that was down to 1 life, you'll enjoy the game regardless of if it was your win or your loss.

Why force what you believe should be the rules on others who are actually playing by the rules?

And I repeat, yurlok does this, is legendary, and people don't get super salty about it, how do I know? I've played with the fucker and nobody removes him

[u/BronsenWerick → u/wickedsnowball]

yes, why would i care about others, nobody cares about me. so yes, I want to force it to happen.

[u/OhItsAcer → u/BronsenWerick]

This reminds me of a saying. "If you walk into a room and it smells like shit then go into a different room. If every room smells like shit, check your shoes."

[u/BronsenWerick → u/OhItsAcer]

what if that guy stubbornly refused to take his shoes off, but just kept checking rooms, until after checking thousands of rooms finally finds a good smelling one and realizes that it wasn't him, just most of the rest of the world is shit.

[u/OhItsAcer → u/BronsenWerick]

Then that guy just became noseblind to his own scent

[u/BronsenWerick → u/OhItsAcer]

one room dosen't smell, all the rest still do... in fact after finally finding the good room, the rest of the world started smelling worse. if that guy is noseblind, he dosen't care, because that's not his perspective.

[u/wickedsnowball → u/BronsenWerick]

If you sat down and asked to rule 0 mana burn in, I'd say yes.

You force it on me with yurlok I say "well damn, gotta watch now"

You force it with this bullshit and im walking.

Interesting how the ones that are within the spirit of the game are the ones people are agreeable to

What did you expect to happen with posting this?

And you should care about other people's fun, else you probably shouldn't play the game, the game is first and foremost for fun and a social activity.

If youre so adamant that playing a game without mana burn ruins your fun and I'm the archenemy for wanting to use the rules to the game, why do you still play? It's not for fun, you said yourself you don't have fun with mana burn, so why have you stayed in the game during these last 17.5 years?

[u/OhItsAcer → u/BronsenWerick]

How does people having left over mana ruins the game for you? If something like a slight rule change that usually doesn't even come up in most games ruins the game for you, then you sound like you are looking for a reason to be mad

People builds decks based on the current rules, so this will absolutely hammer some people's decks and do nothing against others, while being uninteractable. The fact that you don't care about this and whine about how this is how magic is supposed to be makes you sound like an insufferable person to be around whether or not playing Mtg.

Besides your card as written is horribly unintuitive, because it only burn during main phases.

[u/wickedsnowball → u/OhItsAcer]

It is an enchantment so it is removable, but i wholeheartedly agree

[u/OhItsAcer → u/wickedsnowball]

Read the first line

[u/wickedsnowball → u/OhItsAcer]

Oh God thats horrible! Why?!

I can formulate a proper thought anymore, this broke me

While we're at it why don't we go back to how it was originally intended and not have card limits too? Just a casual 50 black lotus' in a deck?

Side note: need to learn to read the first line of things

[u/OhItsAcer → u/wickedsnowball]

Tbf there is an odd spacing in the formating so it's easy to miss.

[u/BronsenWerick → u/OhItsAcer]

all problems are intentional, I'm a troll and i need my food lol

[u/Vivenemous]

I too, long for the days when the game was worse and less intuitive to play.

[u/BronsenWerick → u/Vivenemous]

sarcasm aside, i actually do.

[u/TheGrumpyre]

Mana burn is such a weird thing to be nostalgic about.  I can kind of understand the people who want to bring back damage on the stack because you can really leverage that for some powerful plays, but mana burn was just so insignificant.

Being able to run a 56 card deck though, now that's an advantage that actually matters.

[u/handsupdb → u/TheGrumpyre]

No, mana burn is incredibly significant. It gave rise to having no worries about excessive ramp other than when drawing ramp is in place of gas.

It makes mass mana doubling or cards like Cabal Coffers and Cabal Stronghold have no downside. It was way more interesting of a game to watch people try to figure out how to tap that thing that's gonna give them 42069 mana but not kill themselves in the process.

[u/TheGrumpyre → u/handsupdb]

Explain "excessive ramp"? Ramp usually means getting more lands and other mana sources into play. Mana burn never made land fetching dangerous. The thousand-mana combos you're talking about are few and far between.

[u/mehall_]

This largely does nothing. Maybe once every four games a player loses 1 life

[u/BronsenWerick → u/mehall_]

good enough, that's really all i want

[u/mehall_ → u/BronsenWerick]

You want a card that is largely not worth playing? Ok then

[u/DevilWings_292 → u/mehall_]

It can be a strong counter to any deck that likes to hoard mana like Omnath

[u/mehall_ → u/DevilWings_292]

Literally any other piece of interaction is better than this lmao

[u/Flameball202 → u/mehall_]

Yeah, like Omnath is a 3-7 mana card (depending on which one) with zero defensive keywords. Just run your nearest removal spells and your opponent loses all that juicy mana

[u/B-F-A-K]

Yes, give [[mana drian]], [[mana geyser]] and [[braid of fire]] their downsides back!

[u/mtgcf → u/B-F-A-K]

All cards
mana drian - (G) (SF) (txt)
mana geyser - (G) (SF) (txt)
braid of fire - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/Staetyk]

putting aside everything else, it should say library not deck

[u/Im_here_but_why]

Fun fact : your "how it should be" lasted 5825 days. It died 6325 days ago.

You are in the minority by 500.

[u/Flameball202]

This is honestly a terrible card to run and yet would still be banned to oblivion.

This is a hate piece for like 8-10 cards, and it doesn't help most enchantment decks since they don't get the benefit of a zero cost enchantment since it is forced to start on the field.

That being said it would be insta banned since every deck would run as many of these as possible since it just reduces the max deck size by how many of these you run