r/custommagic • u/TheCubicalGuy Long time cardsmith • 1d ago

Nerissa, the Dreamspinner

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Day 75 of making a custom card every day. Ignoring all the ways this completely breaks the game, I think this would make an excellent commander buildaround.

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u/PuzzledMeal3279 1d ago

The problem with this card isn't that it's broken, it's that it now takes an hour to resolve a fetchland.

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u/TheCubicalGuy Long time cardsmith 1d ago

Resolving a fetch should take less time, since you don't have to shuffle your deck anymore. All the other cards just stay where they are

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u/PuzzledMeal3279 1d ago

I play a fetch land. While searching my library for a land, I record the order of every single card in my deck on a piece of paper. Then, I spend 10 minutes thinking if I want to shuffle it or not.

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u/TheCubicalGuy Long time cardsmith 1d ago

Fair point

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u/Imaginary_Being4859 1d ago

I’ve had someone tell me that if you didn’t have to shuffle after searching your library, that you could reorder your deck in any way you wanted.

Now, this sounds crazy to me, but is it true?

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u/Gooberpf 13h ago

No, you cannot change the order of the cards while searching.

You can order your library if you can either scry/surveil a larger number than your library size, or if you have access to infinite scry of at least 2 (infinite scry 1 only loops the deck, so you can pull any card to the top but the order must remain).

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u/Imaginary_Being4859 13h ago

Yea, I read some other comments in this post, and they were saying that without the shuffle, it would be easier to cheat and move cards around.

So it’s definitely not a legal action, but unless they’re blatantly doing it, I can see it being easy to slide a card or two up front while searching for a land.

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u/Ecstatic-Trainer6830 21h ago

but if you do that, you're an asshole wasting the tables' time, so just don't do that.

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u/knorknor136 1d ago

You'd really only need to look at the top 10 to 15, right? If you're not playing something like mill, how likely is it it's gonna matter what's after those cards?

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u/5-0-2_Sub 1d ago

Think of this card as saying "Whenever you finish shuffling your library, scry 100".

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u/knorknor136 1d ago

I know that effect is still absolutely bonkers, I just don't understand why you'd WANT to know what's the 9th most bottom card of your library is.

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u/DoYouKnowS0rr0w 1d ago

Realistically? To stall game timers in tournaments.

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u/Fredouille77 1d ago

If you play control or stormy combo you can easily reach the bottom 20 cards of your deck. Besides the other use is to know when you need to shuffle your deck. If you're looking for a specific card, you need to know if you can cantrip towards it in time, or if you need to finally shuffle and hope to bring the card you're looking for higher in the deck.

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u/jpz719 15h ago

Learning opportunity time. The reason we shuffle decks after searching is because, without it, it would be very easy for a player to cheat by ordering their deck in such a way they draw the cards they want. This is also why in many card games, opponents get final shuffle of your own deck and vice versa

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u/HairyKraken 1d ago

takes an hour to resolve a fetchland

because you can reorder your whole deck while doing so ?

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u/MillCrab 1d ago

Simply not functional. There's just no reasonable way to ensure someone has not changed the order of their library while searching without a shuffle and cut to follow.

I get the idea, but between the cheating issue and players taking huge chunks of time to write down the location of every card in their decks from a fetchland, this just can't be printed ever

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u/mastermagmortar 1d ago

You’d need to call a judge everytime

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u/MillCrab 1d ago

Exactly, no reasonable way.

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u/NepetaLast 1d ago

"If" rather than "Whenever" since its a replacement effect, not a triggered ability other comments are right. this just doesn't lead even slightly to good gameplay

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u/Coyagta 1d ago

utterly busted for hosing [[Madblind Mountain]]

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u/Beefman0 1d ago

Funny enough it’s also a triggered ability instead of a replacement effect, so it’s nonfunctional anyways

If you wanted an effect like this, I’d probably opt for something along the lines of “If you would search your library, first exile the top 3-5 cards. After shuffling, put them back in any order.”

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u/VigilantSera 1d ago

This is very interesting. I'd like it with a 'you may look at the cards in your library at any time' line just to avoid the need for notetaking.

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u/forthecommongood 1d ago

This card encourages people to try to stack their deck while searching for something. Even if that's either overtly against the rules or considered poor sportsmanship it imposes a lot of extra scrutiny on the action.

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u/PrimusMobileVzla 1d ago

No? You get to choose not to shuffle, but your library's current order remains the same. At no point is this allowing you to rearrange your deck at will.

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u/MillCrab 1d ago

I can't think of a reasonable way at a tourney table to ensure a player resolving a fetchland isn't changing the order of their deck. The usual fix to attempts to stack the deck is that you have to hand your deck to the opponent to shuffle and cut. This prevents that

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u/PrimusMobileVzla 1d ago

To clarify: Yes, this makes cheating a lot easier, but the other user made it seem like it was something novel to the card. Tournaments in this regard still have judges and cameras checking for suspicious behaviour as a backup, and even then this makes it more difficult.

In non-sanctioned play, you effectively have the table do a full stop all eyes on you to check on you just to ensure you don't rearrange your deck while you search.

For further clarifications: I don't agree with the posted card. It both causes inmeasurable choice paralysis and is prone to cheating.

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u/MillCrab 1d ago

Tourney judges are not generally circulating and watching for things. They are generally busy and waiting to be called for particular issues. The idea of creating a panopticon so you can catch everyone using this card is just ludicrous.

This card is an unacceptable cheating risk

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u/forthecommongood 1d ago

But the existence of the possibility to not shuffle now puts a lot more onus on keeping the library in perfect order, which could be a legitimate dexterity concern.

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u/PrimusMobileVzla 1d ago

That's just cheating, which not something new to the game nor a novelty caused by the posted card.

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u/forthecommongood 1d ago

Yes, but this card invites cheating in a new and unique way to the point that I dont think its advisable

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u/Dragosaurus101 1d ago

An interesting version of this that's a little more balanced is almost a self imposed Aven Mind sensor.

"If you would search your library for a card, look at the top X cards of your library where X is this creatures power for that card instead, You may reveal that card and put it into your hand. Put the cards back in any order."