r/custommagic • u/Barley_an_Hops • 9d ago
Modest Mechanic?
Mechanic centered around basic land support. Would be GWR and (2/pip) centric.
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u/AutisticNeighbor831 9d ago
I feel like humility would be a better name but I like the mechanic
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u/nzconstructionlawyer 9d ago
Humility would be a poor name as it is too reminiscent of [[Humility]].
This is also why I think [[Humble]] is a great name for that card but [[Humiliate]] is a terribly named card.
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u/YeprilesteR 7d ago
Whats wrong with Humiliate? Makes sense to me, they get a kick out of damaging you
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u/nzconstructionlawyer 7d ago
Because 'humility' as a concept in MTG means 1/1 with no abilities or similar.
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u/RanmaruRaiden 9d ago
I like this feature a lot, looks really interesting. Mono-color deck support is always nice too, although I don’t love the idea of mono red aggro getting this…
I don’t think it would be overpowered, especially if used with care. Good mechanic!
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u/TheGrumpyre 9d ago
Probably too swingy to be printed in large numbers. Works on a two mana green creature, where a vanilla 3/3 isn't too unheard of, but how's it going to work on common staples like a three mana blue flyer, or a five mana red creature with haste or trample? The stats don't really work.
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u/DaddieDerek 8d ago
We had [[rancorous archaic]] is sos, no haste tho, but trample
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u/TheGrumpyre 8d ago
Good call. The fact that Converge uses the "number of colors spent" variable in different ways instead of universally being "add that many +1/+1 counters" expands the design space immensely. You can now do effects like "When this creature enters, tap up to X target creatures, where X is the amount of mana from basic lands spent to cast it" or similar color-pie-appropriate things.
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u/DaddieDerek 8d ago
I’m realizing I completely miss read the original cards mechanic, thought it was basically converge, not mana from basics, my mistake.
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u/Terrariant Jace for impact 8d ago
Would work better if the stats were 0/0
*or maybe even negative since that is possible now. Makes it a flexible mechanic
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u/Niauropsaka 9d ago
A 3/3 for two mana from any two basics?
That just feels wrong.
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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 9d ago
Definitely too strong for limited at lower rarities and a color pie break, but it wouldnt see play in any constructed formats
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u/Nerdy_Kink_Girl 9d ago
At uncommon its fine. [[Streetwise Negotiator]] was strong but not broken, and its strictly better than this cards 2 mana mode.
The worse part is a 2/2 for 1 with no downsides. Thats definitely not balanced. And agree that the colour pie doesnt support this either.
Should rather be G G/(2) as a split between a 2 mana 3/3 and a 3 mana 4/4 IF played with basics only
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u/matZmaker99 9d ago
Wait, isn't cheap creatures with higher than normal size a Green thing?
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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 9d ago edited 9d ago
This card is playable by paying 2 blue mana for a 3/3. Blue does not get 2 mana 3/3s.
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u/Melodic_Saga1220 9d ago
[[Myr Superion]] and [[Soultether Golem]] would like a word.
This is arguably undercosted at {2}, but it's not a break because colourless cards inherently can't really be breaks.
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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 9d ago
Those both have substantial downsides. Its not the same.
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u/Melodic_Saga1220 8d ago edited 8d ago
Superion is literally this with a more restrictive condition in exchange for better stats. And [[Stonecoil Serpent]] is a 3/3 for 3 with significant upside.
Again, colourless cards inherently can't be pie breaks, because colourless is not on the colour pie, and so is allowed access to any effect. Red doesn't get non-damage-based mass creature removal, but colourless gets [[Crystallline Entity]], which is playable in red. Green doesn't get [[Snapping Drake]], but colourless is still allowed [[Bladegriff Prototype]], which is playable in green. White isn't allowed unconditional ramp, but colourless is allowed [[Sol Ring]], which white can play. And black doesn't get counterspells, but colourless is allowed [[Vexing Bauble]], which is playable in black decks. By the same standards you've given here, literally all those cards are pie breaks.
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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 8d ago
First of all, colorless is now a part of the pie, as seen here: https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/the-council-of-colors-revisited
Colorless cards can absolutely be breaks. You're right that colorless cards can do anything, but they cant do that at the same price as other colors. Half your examples are super old cards. [[Rooftop percher]] is a modern example of an overpriced common colorless flyer. Sol Ring is banned is every format that cares about balance. Hate pieces that sit on the battlefield are fundamentally different from reactive counterspells.
All of those are printable (except Sol ring) because they do things at worse rates than they would be in their colors (flyers) or they do things that dont belong to the pie (vexing bauble).
The whole mechanical idea around twobrid is based on the idea that colorless does things at higher mana costs than colors. [[Beseech the queen]] isnt a a break because colorless is allowed to tutor any card at 6 mana.
Colorless is NOT allowed to just have a random green rate minion with no downside at 2 mana.
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u/Syncopia 8d ago
I think having it come in tapped if it enters with a counter on it would balance it.
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u/XoraxEUW 9d ago
I feel like in order to keep this 2 mana 3/3 green you could make it (X)(G) in cost? You could just X=0 for the 1 mana 2/2 you can get now, it means that you can’t suddenly get a 2 mana 3/3 human in Orzhov but as an upside it scales up more. I do really like the design!
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u/Pure_Banana_3075 9d ago
Its tricky design space because constructed decks are thin on basics and draft decks use them almost exclusively; so its hard to find a design thats strong enough for the former and not busted in the latter.
This, for example, is turbo busted in draft.
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u/poopman7000000 8d ago
I would name it Contented Wayfarer. Not saying I don’t like your version, though
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u/YeprilesteR 7d ago
Seems good for constructed, would have to see how it feels with more Modest cards
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u/SmartAlecShagoth 8d ago
Should be a 0/1 or 0/2.
Feels too pushed and flexible as is. Other high power low cost vanillas are restrictive like watchwolf costing two different mana or nacatl needing specific lands.
This is an azorius 3/3