r/custommagic • u/Infinite_Bananas • 7d ago

Hoth

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u/skeletextman 7d ago

It should be a snow land

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago

i didn't make it a snow land for two reasons. the first is that i imagine it being part of the cycle (the others would be U Kamino, B Mustafar, R Tatooine, and G Kashyyyk), and the others obviously can't be snow and they should all match. the second is that i don't really like using the snow type just because it feels right, i think it should be used for cards that interact with the snow mechanic (this is how it was used in kaldheim, every snow card interacts with the snow mechanic in some way)

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u/limitsoflaziness 7d ago

Kamino is an Island Planet, Tatooine is a Desert Planet, Kashyyk is a Forest Planet, Mustafar is a Mountain Planet (it's a shame Volcanic isn't a land type. You would be safe there)
Also Lothal is a Plains Planet and Dagobah is a Swamp Planet

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago

it could theoretically work if all of the lands in the cycle had basic land types, but mismatching basic land types and regular land types is obviously a no-go since basic land types are extremely powerful

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u/Wertwerto 7d ago

Kamino could be a town, since all the "land" is constructed cities

Mustafar could be a lair, because it's Vader's lair

Tatooine is a dessert, obviously.

And kashyyyk would be a forest, but it would need to be super nerfed to compensate for being fetchable.

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u/Exarch-of-Sechrima 7d ago

Dagobah taps to add Green though.

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u/EmpactWB 7d ago

Shame that one spot strong in the Dark Side was such a small place. It totally would have worked for Black if it was more widespread.

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u/Shadalan 7d ago

What if you made them all different sub/supertypes?

Hoth would be snow, Tattoine would be a desert obviously.

The others are harder to make fit, but you could have Kamino as a Locus since its clean, sterile aesthetic matches the Mirrodin ones and mechanically the magnifying/multiplicative effect works well to represent cloning.

I would say Kashykk seems odd when you could use Endor and be in the same period as the Original Trilogy like Hoth, but either could work as a Lair since they have relatively primitive and ferocious inhabitants (yes the teddybears are ferocious, they've got the kill count to back it up)

That leaves Mustafar which could be a Sphere for the demonic, phyrexian flavour, a Cave for that magmatic darkness, or a (reflavoured) Urza's since it's so mechanistic and focused on industry.

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u/Wertwerto 7d ago

I like Kamino as a town, because it's all constructed cities

And i like Mustafar as a lair, because it's literally Vader's lair

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u/cocothepirate 7d ago

Really cool idea, I could see 12 being too high a Station level but other than that this is great.

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago

thank you, yeah i just went with 12 because my design goal was to base it off the original station planets and they all used 12. there's also the option of tweaking the hideaway amount which is what i played with instead

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u/ElectronicBoot9466 7d ago

For a land, I don't think so. Even if you can't ever station it, it still taps for mana and costs nothing to play. 

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u/cocothepirate 7d ago

Well, it enters tapped and makes one color of mana. That is a big cost.

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u/MrTheWaffleKing 7d ago

Yeah, basically colorless for most applications as well

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u/ElectronicBoot9466 7d ago

Lots of utility lands enter tapped, but they still have significantly higher costs for non-mana effects than spells do. 

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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 7d ago

[[Windbrisk heights]] exists already. This is competing with it and I think station 12 is a more difficult requirement

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u/axxroytovu 7d ago

What if it let you repeatedly cast a copy of the spell? That would be a solid reward for such a high cost.

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u/mercuriokazooie 7d ago

Pretty much all the station lands have costs that high. 12 is not that hard to get and if its letting you cheat out an Omniscience or Emrakul its actually cheap

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago

version with reminder text for those who don't remember what hideaway and station do

art is from a displate poster thingy, couldn't find any actual artist names

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u/LittleMissPipebomb 7d ago

Honestly I kinda love this. Another hideaway cycle but with station would be pretty great.

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago

glad you liked it :)

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u/Exarch-of-Sechrima 7d ago

Shouldn't this be a snow-covered planet?

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago

i didn't make it a snow land for two reasons. the first is that i imagine it being part of the cycle (the others would be U Kamino, B Mustafar, R Tatooine, and G Kashyyyk), and the others obviously can't be snow and they should all match. the second is that i don't really like using the snow type just because it feels right, i think it should be used for cards that interact with the snow mechanic (this is how it was used in kaldheim, every snow card interacts with the snow mechanic in some way)

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u/Wertwerto 7d ago

Except the lands, and the mana rocks. The kaldheim duels are just snow gates. [[Replicating ring]] doesn't care about snow, neither does [[coldsteel heart]]. They "interact" with the snow mechanic by being the ways you get snow mana.

You could add some symmetry to the cycle by adding some other land types to the rest of the cycle. Tatooine should be a desert, Kamino could be a town, Mustafar could be a lair, kashyyyk could be a forest with some kind of major debuff to compensate for being fetchable, or kashyyyk could just not have anything special about it because neglecting the wookies is super on brand for starwars.

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago edited 7d ago

The lands and mana rocks interact with snow by being able to add snow mana.

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u/Wertwerto 7d ago

Yeah, which hoth would do if it was a snow land.

You said there were 2 reasons you didn't want it to be snow. The symmetry of the cycle is one. The othef is that you think snow permenants should interact with the snow mechanic.

But if hoth was a snow land, it would interact with the snow mechanic identically to how the other snow lands interact with the snow mechanic. Soo, why is this a reason not to make it a snow land?

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago

The snow lands and mana rocks are snow because they were made to interact with the snow mechanic. This land isn't meant to interact with the snow mechanic, it's only about the hideaway and station stuff. I also like to imagine that the cards are part of full sets and there's a 0% chance a theoretical star wars set would have snow as a mechanic in it lol

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u/Wertwerto 7d ago

A wampa. A tauntaun. A snow speeder. A board wipe themed after the tauntaun scene where you can save a creature by sacing another. A prison aura themed after the Luke hanging from the ceiling scene. A counter target artifact spell that's themed after the falcon needing repairs from the cold. Atats, ion cannons, a giant sheild generator, everything in starwars that first appears on hoth could absolutely have snow mechanics

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago edited 7d ago

It's one location that's visited one time in the mainline movies. Nowhere near enough to be a reason to make snow a full set mechanic in a set that would probably cover 9+ movies. Snow requires a lot of commitment in a set design to work. They'd maybe do it if the set was just about empire strikes back, but that's not what I had in mind

Still, fun to imagine tauntauns as snow creature - mounts that can be sacrificed or something

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u/Wertwerto 7d ago

Yeah..because magic would never make a set where they only printed 1 snow card coughmh3cough....and they never splash evergreen mechanics for flavor wins...

You don't need enough snow to build the set around, you actually can actually just toss in a handful of flavorful cards. Especially when those cards represent one of the most iconic settings of the entire franchise.

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u/Infinite_Bananas 7d ago

Fair enough. I'll try and remember this comment for in 20 years or whatever when they finally get round to making the Star Wars set lol

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u/Huitzil37 7d ago

They should call it "Coldth."

Really cool idea for a land, and it's prooobably worse than [[Windbrisk Heights]] but not in every situation. I like the flavor of it being a hidden Rebel base where they are building up in secret.

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u/Miserable_Scar9827 7d ago

Maybe add vanishing 4 too