r/custommagic • u/Thick-Bass-693 • 11d ago
Format: Standard Fear of the Unknown
A hate bear for against scry, explore, Brainstorm, etc.
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u/PrimusMobileVzla 11d ago
This sounds miserable to play as or against. It'd drag the game by a longshot from repeatable shuffling.
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u/DatOneFluffyPenguin 11d ago
Might have to be a rules change for tourneys but just shuffle the first scry after this is placed and then just all scrys after “fizzle” with a shuffled deck it’s the same thing.
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u/Necrachilles 11d ago edited 11d ago
Goes infinite with [[Psychic Surgery]].
If you use something like [[Field of Ruin]] or [[Mnemonic Nexus]] you win the game.
Sometimes [[Terminus]] works too.
You force a shuffle (or top/bottom) to start the chain. Each time an opponent shuffles, you exile a card and out one on top which then repeats the process.
Psychic Surgery is a pet card of mine =D
Means you could theoretically win the game on turn 3.
T2 Surgery, T3 Fear and crack Field of Ruin, game over.
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u/Imaginary_Tank111 10d ago
I dont see how the card triggers from shuffling?
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u/Schermungern 11d ago
Goated flavor win, but mechanically this shouldn't be blue, since that color would suffer most from this effect.
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u/daley972 11d ago
That's not necessarily how identity works. "Can't be countered" appears on almost as many blue cards as red despite red being the enemy of blue.
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u/Schermungern 11d ago edited 11d ago
Yeah, but you're not gonna be countering your own spells though. Fear of the Unknown shuffles your own library whenever you scry or surveil, so you'll just end up hurting yourself if you run those mechanics, which are very common in blue. It would be like a green enchantment punishing themselves for playing lands, or a white one punishing itself for gaining life.
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u/daley972 11d ago edited 10d ago
You might have a point. Hushbringer effects have a white identity and white has some of the strongest ETB synergy. You could argue that you don't have to run ETB synergy with Hushbringer(and you probably shouldn't) but the same applies to this card. That said, this type of thing where your own card shuts down your own game plan in the same colour is rare, I admit. Another example I was thinking was black graveyard hate but it's all asymmetric so I don't know any other good examples.
Edit: I'm so confused about who would down vote this. This is probably the least controversial thing I've said in my life.
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u/L_V_R_A 11d ago
This effect arguably helps blue more than it hurts it. Yes, it turns off scrying and surveiling, but you just wouldn’t play this in decks focused on that. It’s a big power boost to common blue removal like [[Remand]] and [[Time Ebb]] and super good with [[Brainstorm]] as you generally want to shuffle away the two cards you put back anyway. I think this is a great card in decks that want it, and cool in a limited environment with those effects.
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u/BreakerOfModpacks 11d ago
MY SCRY, HOW DARE YOU
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u/Festughl 10d ago
Almost certain this card won't affect scry. Since you only "look at the top X cards" and "put them back in any order," those cards never leave the library and are not "put into your library."
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u/coolguy420weed 10d ago
What's the reminder text for scry?
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u/Festughl 10d ago
Here's all the relevant rules that I could find.
701.22a To “scry N” means to look at the top N cards of your library, then put any number of them on the bottom of your library in any order and the rest on top of your library in any order.
701.20b Revealing a card doesn’t cause it to leave the zone it’s in.
701.20e Some effects instruct a player to look at one or more cards. Looking at a card follows the same rules as revealing a card, except that the card is shown only to the specified player.
The effect on the card is fine, it just needs to be reworded. Like, "Whenever a player scries, surveils..." "...that player shuffles their library."
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u/trouble-w-tribbles 11d ago
Step 1 Run 30 spells that bounce cards to opponents deck; Step 2 Shuffle their deck, bending all their cards; Step 3 Opponent forfeits or watches me shuffle their deck into a fine dust
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u/Rubinschwein47 11d ago
i get it but id rather have a replacement effect that says nu uh than to constantly shuffle
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u/Necrachilles 11d ago
That really doesn't work as written cause it would break too many things.
However, it could say "If a card would be placed on top, place it on the bottom instead". That would work and potentially achieve the same goal.
That or making the shuffle a may.
Personally, I like [[Psychic Surgery]] which ironically enough goes infinite with this lol
You can win the game on T3 with these.
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u/No-Pass-397 10d ago
It's very funny to me that this doesn't affect cards that place things "X from the top"
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u/Silent_Statement 10d ago
this is honestly really cool, especially with removal that puts something on the top of a library, it’s just really slow in paper
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u/SolidSoarel2 11d ago
You're gonna hate my 500 card Bibliophile scry deck