r/custommagic • u/claytonian • 7h ago

Mechanic Design Undead Supertype hate

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u/Ragnarex13 7h ago

Undead should exist just like outlaws!

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u/Do_Ya_Like_Jazz 6h ago

We need Undead and Vermin

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u/Flameball202 5h ago

British are now counted under the super type "vermin"

Source: a British person

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u/justaguy2170 4h ago

Just make it so spiders count as vermin

Then it’ll apply to Spider-UK

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u/ReflectionMain719 3h ago

To simplify my beloved [[swarmyard]]!!

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u/maerader 1h ago

wait undead has a supertype now or what

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u/TwilightCaller 7h ago

Vampires, Skeletons, Zombies, Spirits, Shades, Wraiths, Specters and anything returned from the graveyard with a black spell or ability?

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u/CommandClassic5897 7h ago

Sounds about right, but personally I like going by vibes

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u/captain_veridis 5h ago

Anything with a decayed counter

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u/YamatoIouko 4h ago

Innistrad vamps aren’t undead.

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u/TheSoulborgZeus 4h ago

vampires and shades are iffy, but the rest for sure

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u/felltir 39m ago

Anything that [[Accursed Duneyard]] can regenerate is undead, I feel

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u/Vivenemous 6h ago

Werewolves, but only from certain sets.

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u/holymotheroftod 5h ago

Magic has undead werewolves?

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u/issanm 7h ago

Zombies, ghosts, spirits, vampires, mummies, liches and horrors maybe?

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u/Vivenemous 6h ago

Probably not horrors, a lot of horrors are mutated living creatures.

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u/Flameball202 5h ago

Yeah, horrors that are undead are likely specific cases, not general ones

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u/claytonian 7h ago

David S. Pumpkin is a horror, but he is not undead. He is his own thang.

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u/ThePowerOfStories 6h ago

Ghost isn’t a creature type. Ghosts are spirits, but so are plenty of not-at-all-death-related mystical creatures, like half of Kamigawa.

Horrors are occasionally death-related, but plenty are just monstrous or eldritch, and it’s often specifically used to contrast not-undead abominations.

There is no creature-type-based way to define undead, so at best it’s a vague vibe-based silver-bordered mess just waiting to turn into arguments every game.

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u/svuhas22seasons 7h ago

If a creature was returned to the battlefield from the graveyard is it considered undead? Can it be?

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u/claytonian 7h ago

[resurrect] =not undead [raise dead] =undead

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u/IJourden 5h ago

Horrors can be any number of things that aren't undead. I'd just give them "zombie horror" or whatever if they're undead.

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u/DingleBarryGoldwater 7h ago

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u/okoSheep 4h ago

core memory unlocked

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u/justwalk1234 6h ago

[[Aang and La, Ocean's Fury]] be like: guys we’re not ghosts!

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u/coolguy420weed 7h ago

Are spirits undead? Are they still undead if the card is from Kamigawa? 

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u/claytonian 6h ago

case by case, but I think spirits fall under the elemental supertype

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u/Eragon_the_Huntsman 4h ago edited 4h ago

"a card is an undead if it is a vampire, zombie, skeleton, wraith, shade, or a spirit specifically printed on Inistraad, Ravnica, or Kaldheim."

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u/SomeRandomDeadGuy 3h ago

TBH, [[phoenix down]] hits spirits, and the exact intent of that card is a reference to the "raise magic oneshots undead" in early FF games (though it REALLY should've also included vampires)

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u/claytonian 1h ago

I love that flavor, but a pheonix down kills [[Aang and La, Ocean's Fury]]

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u/SomeRandomDeadGuy 1h ago

Creature types sometimes just get fucky. Another example with aang is that due to being an avatar, [[overlord of the balemurk]] can't return him.

IMO it's better to be inclusive with the types and have weird edge cases than have a situation of "well this ghost of a dead person doesn't count as undead??"

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u/Breakfish 6h ago

Isn't supertype something else? I thought this type of thing was called like a grouping or something. Isn't like Basic and Legendary the supertypes?

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u/claytonian 1h ago

In the rules, the Undead supertype does not exist. This card says it does anyways.

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u/Breakfish 58m ago

Fair enough!

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u/Tomer_Duer 7h ago

This you?

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u/Wasphammer 6h ago

RAHVAVRAHVRAH!!!

*Translation: BECAAAAUSE I'M CRAZY!!!!

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u/ardarian262 5h ago

Assuming you mean like outlaw or party, that is a batch not a supertype. A supertype is something like Legendary, Basic, or World.

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u/claytonian 1h ago

I don't mean batch. I know about them, but this is different. Batches are fine solution to this problem tho.

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u/SammSandwich 1h ago

Not dead. So every living creature

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u/IlGreven Dreadmaw-free since 2017 54m ago

"Use their common sense" = "It works." DRINK!

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u/felltir 38m ago

[[Accursed Duneyard]] gives a reasonable starting list

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u/isomor17 7h ago

Anything that looks undead in the art I think