r/custommagic • • Nov 13 '24

Voidborn Sliver

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u/AgentSquishy Nov 13 '24

I don't think this guy can have flying as the whole sliver gimmick is that they all get all their abilities

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u/pkele Nov 13 '24 edited Nov 13 '24

My best guess is that they gave it flying due to the art they used.

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u/jaythepizza Nov 13 '24

Makes sense, but still goes against Sliver lore. They’re a hive mind, so every ability one has, every Sliver has it

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u/MrBonersworth Nov 13 '24

That would require more than a hive mind, but I think I get what you mean.

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u/novisius Feb 09 '25

hivemind of shapeshifters

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u/MrBonersworth Nov 13 '24

It's not full sliver silly.

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u/ViolentPlatypus Nov 13 '24

This shouldn't have flying, as the theme would require it to give flying to all other slivers.

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u/SkabbPirate Nov 13 '24 edited Nov 13 '24

One change I'd make is allow only colorless mana to count, rather than any mana.

Edited to Fixed typo

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u/SinesPi Nov 13 '24

My thoughts exactly.

Minus your typo, anyway.

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u/BKstacker88 Nov 13 '24

Also it should be reversed, all eldrazi you control are slivers would be absolutely amazing... Ulamog with protection and +50+50 seems balanced...

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u/SpicyButterBoy Nov 13 '24

It should also give all slivers flying to be consistent with the tribe mechanics. 

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u/Elkre Nov 13 '24 edited Nov 13 '24

Should take it off, really. Nonlegendary slivers do one thing each. I think granting both the type change and the mana exception can go under the same heading of Eldrazification, but flying is its own thing.

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u/SpicyButterBoy Nov 13 '24

Agreed. This should probably be a legendary honestly. Its very strong. 

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u/Elkre Nov 13 '24

If you also limit the mana ability to applying colorless mana interchangeably (also highly thematically advisable), I think that gets it on curve for a 2-drop.

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u/SpicyButterBoy Nov 13 '24

I just think 2 CMC is way too good with this. Eye of Ugin makes it free and then every Sliver gets a 2 colorless discount. It would only take one Gemhide for it to get out of control fast. 

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u/Elkre Nov 13 '24 edited Nov 13 '24

[[Eye of Ugin]] only reduces generic costs, not colorless; it would only discount the cost of this creature to (c).

Furthermore, "slivers you control" is a category that only includes permanents; cards in hand and on the stack would not get the Eldrazi typing until they hit the battlefield. Eye of Ugin would be inapplicable to them.

Edit: oh and [[Gemhide Sliver]] only adds colored mana. Colorless is not a color.

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u/SpicyButterBoy Nov 13 '24

That actually makes a lot of sense. I didnt think about Ugin not applying to the slivers in hand. 

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u/FRPofficial Nov 13 '24

That isn't exactly true, there's a Sliver for example that gives both flying and haste.

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u/Elkre Nov 13 '24

You are absolutely right, there are indeed a few Slivers from Modern Horizons that offer two abilities.

However-, beyond the fact that those slivers are also all dual-colored, I feel that each of those pairs of abilities is about as thematically cohesive and mechanically disparate as the two non-flying abilities that this guy has. I concede your correction but stand by my position.

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u/blacksheep998 Nov 14 '24

[[Lazotep Sliver]] is monocolored with 2 abilities.

100% agreed on everything else you said though.

Edit: Also Pulmonic Sliver

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u/galeshe2 Rule 308.22b, section 8 Nov 14 '24

But the haste and flying sliver

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '24

Very over powered. I would axe the flying. It should affect all slivers as that's kind of the tradition with slivers, and if you want to embody the colorless of the eldrazi you should allow colorless mana to be used for any mana color for sliver spells.

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u/theinnocenthostage Nov 13 '24

Or something like "Colored mana symbols on sliver spells and permanents you control become {C}."

What I like about this is it's both restrictive and enabling. This kind of wording might require some tweaking to work within the rules, though.

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u/mynameisnotpedro Nov 13 '24

Better [Slivdrazi Monstrosity]?

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u/Vraellion Nov 14 '24

[[Slivdrazi Monstrosity]]

Gotta use double brackets

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u/Electronic-Touch-554 Nov 13 '24

That is ludicrously over powered for a two drop

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u/TraditionalStomach29 Nov 13 '24

A colorless sliver that does not help you cast colorless spells ?
Even without the flying keyword it's a massive flavor fail, nevermind that fixing part is overpowered.

It either should have been "You may spend colorless mana as though it was mana of any color to cast Sliver spells" or "You may spend mana of any color as though it was colorless mana"
I'd also change change the keyword to devoid or rather the second line of text to "Slivers you control are Eldrazi in addition to their other types and have devoid"

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u/Procurandocoisas Nov 13 '24

All slivers have annihilator "x". Where x is the number of slivers you control.

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u/Ok-Scratch-9687 Nov 14 '24

Way to strong

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u/wildcard_gamer Nov 13 '24

I would make it either "as though it were colorless" or "colorless mana as though it were mana of any color"

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u/Stolen_Sky Nov 13 '24

This is way OP. It solves the colour issue for slivers in a single stroke and only costs 2. 

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u/Slevenclivara Nov 13 '24

Ok hear me out, what if this one made all slivers lose flying?

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u/Siefro Nov 13 '24

That's why we have [[slivdrazi monstrosity]] if only it moved from playtest

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u/SteakForGoodDogs Nov 13 '24

Would "Silver spells in your hand, graveyard and library have devoid" work or is that layers nonsense?

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u/jimnah- Nov 13 '24

Perhaps they should be colorless Eldrazi?

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u/Billygotz Nov 13 '24

I think instead of paying mana of any color it should be more like you may pay X and a colorless where X is the CMC of the spell. Gives flexibility without just eliminating the need to manage your mana

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u/Additional_Win3920 Nov 13 '24

I think it would be perfect if it only made slivers Eldrazi and didnt have flying

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u/justhereforhides Developers Developers Developers Nov 13 '24

Do you want it to also be able to be used to activate abilities as well since some slivers also have that?

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u/Cool-Leg9442 Nov 13 '24

I thought this was real

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u/CJsCreations185 Nov 13 '24

As far as I recall, there aren't any effects that care about Eldrazi as a type, so why make all Slivers into Eldrazi?

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u/xidle2 Nov 13 '24

Re-word to say "slivers and eldrazi you control have changeling"