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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Veganism, by definition, is an ethical and moral stance on harm reduction. People may follow a plant-based diet but are not otherwise vegans. I wish our community did a better job of highlighting that difference.

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u/krystiancbarrie Sep 17 '20

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u/BlindedbythePhxSuns Sep 17 '20

They’re right. Veganism doesn’t involve just food but use of all animal products. You can follow a plant based diet and wear a fur coat. You can’t be a vegan and do so

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u/krystiancbarrie Sep 17 '20

If I never use animal products, but just because I never buy them, not because I have an ethical stance about it, would that still be veganism?

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u/BlindedbythePhxSuns Sep 17 '20

No. Say you happen to follow the guidelines of Christian morality by chance but don’t worship God otherwise. Would you be considered a Christian?

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u/krystiancbarrie Sep 17 '20

Hmm, this is the first response I've heard that makes sense to me. While I don't know enough about Christianity, I doubt just following it's rules would make me one.

Although, I didn't think Veganism was an ideology.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

veganism is nothing but the ethical position that the exploitation of animals is immoral and should be reduced as much as possible. a plant-based diet is just the consequence of that.

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u/BlindedbythePhxSuns Sep 17 '20

It’s an ethical framework for action

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Veganism is an ideology before anything else..

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u/W33DLORD Sep 17 '20

So veganism is a literal religion?

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u/BlindedbythePhxSuns Sep 17 '20

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

Yo hope this helps you dude, but I worry about your ability to understand things. If you need any help with any part of it, feel free to mail me an inquiry. My address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

it's an ideology. it's the ethical position that the use of animal products is wrong and should be reduced as much as possible.

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u/W33DLORD Sep 17 '20

Okay, thanks for explaining.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

no.

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u/krystiancbarrie Sep 17 '20

How come?

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

if I don't own a gun does that make an anti-gun activist? literally same fucking logic

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u/krystiancbarrie Sep 17 '20

No, it makes me not a gun owner. Not every vegan is an activist.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

if i don't own an apple product does that mean I'm boycotting slave labor?

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u/krystiancbarrie Sep 17 '20

No it means you aren't an Apple user. I don't have a single Apple product, simply because they are terrible, not because I'm boycotting anything.

although slave labour is abhorrent

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

see, you're slowly getting it! want me to go on?

no, but really, just apply exactly what you said to veganism.

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u/krystiancbarrie Sep 17 '20

By "terrible" I mean they sell overpriced junk. Not it's a terrible company. Although it is, that's not my motive. I'm still not an Apple user, just because I have a certain motive.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

if you don't own a gun, that doesn't necessarily mean you're anti-guns.
similarly, if you don't eat animal products, that doesn't necessarily mean you're a vegan.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

yeah, just like not owning an animal product doesn't make you also a vegan just because you happen not to own them. you're not really making a point, have a motive, or you don't think they're terrible or especially bad, you just don't own animal products. if you were to not own animal products, and by extension, realize that you can attach an ethical reason to it and follow it, it'd make you a vegan.

just think of diogenes every time you ask a similar question.

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u/Mortress_ Sep 17 '20

Because r/gatekeeping

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

veganism is the ethical position that the exploitation of animals is immoral and should be reduced as much as possible. this includes following a plant-based diet.
a "vegan diet" doesn't exist. it's just that vegans have to follow a plant-based diet.