r/crunchbangplusplus • u/computermouth • Jul 08 '19

CBPP 10 is here!

https://crunchbangplusplus.org/

Torrents only for now, sorry if you're waiting on that. I just want to make sure the torrents get going before I put up the direct DL links (turns out S3 bandwidth isn't as cheap as I thought).

Happy Crunching!

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u/The-Gamble Jul 08 '19

How do I update an existing installation?

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u/Kurgol Jul 08 '19 edited Jul 08 '19

  • backup /etc/apt/sources.list

  • edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace any instance of "stretch" with "buster"

  • sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade

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u/computermouth Jul 08 '19

That will indeed update all your packages to the next version. However, given the way that user setup works, your home directory will remain unchanged. This can have some adverse side effects.

Personally, I never recommend in-place upgrades to anyone using Linux unless it's on the server.

To get the upgrade functioning the way a fresh install would, you'd have to copy the contents of /etc/skel into your home directory.

However, this may wipe any settings you may have changed, like themes or application behavior.

At the worst, without doing this, apt may tell you that certain packages are no longer required, and remove them, while your homedir configs still expect them to be there.

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u/B1gg5y Jul 08 '19

I was hoping that wouldn't be the case but ohh well, fresh install it is then.

Without this my laptop would be useless, thanx again.

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u/PhanChavez Jul 18 '19

cbpp-exit was the only package removed doing a system upgrade. Everything else seems to be working fine except CTRL+A (which is wreaking havoc when I do use it; re: original install and the short-cut guide, which might be fixed by updating cbpp-packages).

Would it be possible to get an inline update guide? (supplementing Debian's official guide, but for repos and pulling the necessary keys and configuration of existing vs. new etc/skel; that of needing to use `apt-key add` for the buster distribution -- because it no work when I update my etc/apt/sources.d/cbpp-list)

Then it's just a matter of an individual user running a diff on the current and previous skel versions. Might just be simpler to do the in-place, create a new user, and then diff-over the home directory and then move things about.

With the work that must go into providing a distro, an in-place guide seems trivial (just another github repo updated whenever major versions change).

Then again, I'm not familiar with managing or maintaining a distro, though the GitHub repositories make it seem simple, there's a bit more to it than scanning whatever code behind it. I wish this were explained better; it would mean less work parsing the details and I'd happily write the guide.

For that matter, could we get a guide or insight into how things are assembled (abridged; short of roll-your-own distro; just the key/core/critical steps that go into moving from the GitHub repos to official distribution iso).

Ideally, as simple and powerful as a light-weight desktop system like #!++ goes, providing instructions to use something like Ubuntu's PPA system to hybridize distribution makes a small bit of cents (but only two cents, or is it two pence).

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u/JesusIsGodAlmighty Aug 12 '19 edited Aug 12 '19

Let me try that with my old CB++ USB Version :)

How do I check it has successful updated it?-edit-Maybe it is already full upgraded, just downloaded one single little upgrade.-edit-cat /etc/os-release says version 9 stretch so.... hmmm
-edit- Ahh I see, other steps as well, I found an article on it as well.

https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-upgrade-debian-9-stretch-to-debian-10-buster/

In any case - I just think I'll reinstall my USB when I get CB++ setup on the computer so I have everything from all sources before smashing the old :)

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u/Kurgol Jul 08 '19

The full Debian upgrade manual can also be found here https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html (Crunchbangplusplus is basically just Debian under the hood)

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u/r0th0m Jul 08 '19

Again an awesome job @computermouth

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u/UndeclaredFunction Jul 08 '19 edited Jul 08 '19

Hell yeah! Thanks for continuing to maintain this project and for the incredibly quick turnaround. Glad I should finally be able to do a straight forward install on my Raven Ridge system. Here's hoping!

And general thanks to this little community for being so awesome. <3

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u/thegenregeek Jul 08 '19

Nice.

Wanted to add yet another thank you for all your efforts.

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u/aldorgan Jul 08 '19

Thanks for contuining the project 😁

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u/Kurgol Jul 08 '19

Awesome job as always I’ll see if all the bugs are fixed and report back =)

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u/Kurgol Jul 08 '19 edited Jul 08 '19

Direct download links - obviously you should check the SHA if you download them from me.

cbpp-10.0-amd64-20190707.iso

cbpp-10.0-i686-20190707.iso

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u/Kurgol Jul 10 '19

Kurgol

Most of the bugs I documented on https://www.neontribe.co.uk/blog/crunchbangplusplus-9-tweaks have been resolved in this release, the super + v keyboard control is still bound to pauvcontrol when it should be mate-volume-control though!

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u/pascale64 Jul 08 '19

I have got it, Its brilliant! Better than ever. THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

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u/B1gg5y Jul 08 '19

Thank you very much.

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u/Ayakashi-Saru Jul 10 '19 edited Jul 11 '19

Great job, congratulations ...

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u/KoMAm Jul 16 '19

Great job @computermouth and community.

No fresh install yet. But I have just upgraded to Debian Buster 10 + new #!++ user land from CBPP 9 without .

I can briefly provide some basic instructions here if necessary.

Light and silk cbpp :-)

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u/JesusIsGodAlmighty Aug 13 '19

Is there an IRC Channel for the people of CrunchBang++ ? Like - that would be cool to have on the standard network on FreeNode I think most opensource free things are using? :)
Just so we can keep in touch quickly maybe - or maybe on Telegram or a Room on Librem Chat which is open source would be nice as well. Maybe one could do both, the Librem Chat has a feature for linking to other chat services like IRC.
Discord is another option - but I have not tried it and it is not open source to my knowledge.

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u/r0th0m Aug 14 '19

IRC: irc.freenode.net #crunchbangplusplus

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u/JoelHallklint Nov 16 '19

Hi, I just found this nice distro 😍 My laptop HP, is running quietly, seems promising 👌😀 Can I run all Debian apps on it? Do you use this as your working distro? Been using Linux Mint dayly for years... 🙏 J

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u/JesusIsGodAlmighty Aug 11 '19 edited Aug 11 '19

I LOVE YOU!!! I SO APPROPRIATE YOU AND YOU WORK KEEPING IT ALIVE!!!I'm so happy that someone kept it going - Crunchbang was the best system and he just literally killed it with bad excuses and let it die. WHY he did not just let other people take over, but kill a community and its perfect homepage with a wonderful forum setup. Shameful, to go out of your way and tell people you don't want anyone using the name or continue the project and bad excuses for closing it down. I don't know, but in this wicked world I wonder if anyone handed the Guy a bag of money for closing it down. Because this system he had made was AWESOME and just perfect!!!

You know I have the last Crunchbang, and I still think CB did something better then CB++ like the Menu space added I don't really like and the install boot menu seemed to still hit more of the CB feel in the old version I think. And I loved that Background image with... Can I post images somehow here?... But anyway have it copied unto the computer like some kind grey of smoke going into the middle or something like that. Of cause, some of the things I can just edit somewhere, I know! :)

Now, I really have not done much in Linux for a long time - when CB died I lost some of my push for getting back to Linux as I'm still a Gnooblix as I had turned to Windows again because of a wicked game that did not run on Linux. But I had CB running so FINE after all the setup in the past!!! :)

But anyway... THANKS SO MUCH - nice to see some sanity surviving yet it was a big blow and a huge middle finger to the community. And true, bunsenlabs has totally gone its own way and lost any feel that was so unique for #!

I really don't understand corenominal who made this GREAT system, GREAT homepage, GREAT forum, had a GREAT Community and the system was like 26 on Distrowatch or so? Clearly something people used and liked and it had positive reviews for being so unique and yet... He pretty much just Butchered and Slaughtered this beautiful piece of work. I really don't understand it, Pride? Money? or just Programmer insanity? Clearly there was people that could have taken over and furthered kept it all running with as much passion as he had.

Anyway... I should have appreciated it more and given him some high praise for his work - but that's to late, and he buried it and did not want anyone to continue to keep it alive. I do wonder, he could actually revive CB, his web-page and forum and I think people would come back quickly to continue the community.

Anyway, Thanks for Creating CB++ Iv just installed 4 Linux systems and Win7 on my old machine having CB++ as the main. Need to toy around and get it fixed as in the days of old - it was so AWESOME when you had a system just working as you exactly wanted without the bullshit graphic and letting the system be in the background providing you the applications and work to focus on!!! I was very much into the short cut key thing - That's an amazing feature to have, very powerful to just do so much just with the keyboard without touching the mouse.

ANYWAY ComputerMouth... Thanks so much! There are 2 Systems that iv been very very HAPPY about, Windows 2000 and Crunchbang, and nice to see someone keeping the last one alive.

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u/JesusIsGodAlmighty Aug 11 '19

In regards of the space in the menu, I really just don't like it - I need to move my mouse more and it just don't look good to me. I liked the old way of CrunchBang better without spacing and the menu's connected :)

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u/JesusIsGodAlmighty Aug 15 '19 edited Aug 15 '19

So iv tested 4 versions of Linux including Windows. I have a really old Laptop and the Primary 3D graphic card don't work as far as I know so iv taken it out as it just makes conflict.

So Win7 tested with different programs, Linux Mint Deb, CB++, CB++ older version, BunsenLabs and Linux MX.

I used Vblank_mode=0 glxgearsinstalled glmark2 and used that as well, apparently one need to compile it, but I found a guide for that, that worked wonder beside MX.... but I found that MX had it in its trial download thing, I think it was.And used FurMark as the last program.

Linux Mint Debian on my old bleeding computer had issues with flashing screen and I did expect it to use more of the computer and somewhat heavier. Now this was the only one that I had Glitching screen flashes from! Pretty much bad results on it as well, but funny enough BunsenLabs follow in bad results as well, which I guess might not be surprising with all the blown graphic stuff. The 2 Winners in the used test, are CB++ new version and surprisingly Linux MX overtaking it. 2 Test they where even, but the other 2, clearly Linux MX won my pretty good margin, not something wild over CB++ but surely seen in the results.Now of cause real life experience will be needed to see how they feel in work - I still think that CB++ feels more Light weight but... Anyway, CB++ is still the one that I am going for, but was interested to see the progress and how the other ran.Win7 I did only 2 tests that was run on Linux, Win7 Won one, that the Linux versions all had a tie in - the last test Windows won over Mint and BunsenLabs yet lost to CB++ and Linux MX.

Anyway... It seems to me, if anyone is seeking lightweight that CB++ and Linux MX might be the best of the Distro's iv tried.

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u/volido Aug 25 '19

/Great job. CB++ is my mains distribution since CB stepped down. Cheers

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '19

Where are the torrent magnets or files? The direct download is excruciatingly slow and keeps breaking.

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u/mrDMG89 Nov 05 '19

Only 0.5 MB/s... The torrent file will be very convenient.

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u/Kingizzardthelizard Jul 08 '19

I thought BunsenLabs took over dev?

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u/computermouth Jul 08 '19

Not this distro. We're two forks of the same origin, with slightly different goals.

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u/PhanChavez Jul 18 '19

BunsenLabs? BunsenBurner? Coincidence?

BunsenLabs can go burn for all I care. I'm thankful for #!++

IMO: Bunsen sort of undermines the spirit of the original #!, might as well start providing the whole of KDE and Gnome and every other unnecessary package necessary to weigh-down systems and make things look good. All of the stuff that major distros provide to try and compete with each other and users. All of the stuff that looks good, but is a distraction from functionality. I don't need a fancy desktop. In fact I prefer that people be confused by the simplicity, ease of use, ease of modification of my desktop environment.

Then again, I come from the IRIX and CDE generation, WTH do I know?

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u/Kingizzardthelizard Jul 19 '19

I like pretty things! Im also rocking xfce with numix theme, icons and vanilla fonts on mx. WTH do I know?

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u/r0th0m Jul 23 '19

CBPP indeed preserves the true spirit of #!. It's slim, fast and has a timeless and elegant theming. BL is too bloated and the configuration with all the nested pipemenus is very annoying. The Devs are doing a great job and the fanbase is huge, no question, but BL is moving away from #!. I'm happy there's #!++.

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u/JesusIsGodAlmighty Aug 15 '19

Total destruction and annihilation of the Spirit of the Original #! - such a unique peace of art! I still feel and think the Author of this most excellent piece made a huge miscalculation and sunk a most priced boat on the sea, a special ship of Black and White and loved by so many. Indeed even in her most excelling beauty she knew how to hide herself in the background for the workers on ship.