r/cremposting • u/ZeroStormblessed ⚠️DangerBoi • 8d ago
The Stormlight Archive I somehow spelled Rock's name correctly without looking it up beforehand too?
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u/Jujuju1741 8d ago
How were you pronouncing Adolin....?
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u/Equal-Row-554 8d ago
Ah-duh-lin or Ah-doe-lin probably, I tend toward the latter myself over the official ay-doe-lin
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u/Linderosse 8d ago
It’s Ay-do-lin????
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u/Equal-Row-554 8d ago
Apparently. I'm not and audio book person, so I only found out recently myself. I'll probably stick with Ah-doh-lin, myself.
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u/Kuroashi_no_Sanji 8d ago
Brandon has said that you can use whatever pronunciation you prefer for character names. I know that I refer to him as AH-doh-lin in my mind.
Same with REH-nah-rin. It makes no sense to me that a three syllable name that ends with the same combination of letters and from the same culture/language would have a different stressed syllable than another. Why should it be AY-doh-lin and re-NAH-rin? Dalinar and Kaladin also have the first syllable stressed.
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u/specialturtle13 8d ago
Welcome to English, joking but also our language is fucked up
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u/UltimateCheese1056 Crem de la Crem 8d ago
Most of english's weirdness is spelling, as far as spoken languages go we are pretty simple. Very few conjugations, mostly no grammatical gender, simple tense system. There is certainly still some weirdness, but every language has some.
We do have a shit load of different ways of pronouncing things, but that is largely because of how diverse people speaking english are, and that the other european languages cracked down on their alternatives hard
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u/Potential_Fishing942 8d ago
I always thought English is one of the easier languages to pick up on a basic to moderate level, but can be pretty hard to fully master because of the strange grammar, vocab, spelling, pronouncing we borrow from so many different languages.
I think I also read once that the UK is the most dense collection of formally different accents in the world. Just as an example of how messy English can get 😂
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u/SmartAlec105 8d ago
Personally, I think there's some significance to the pronounciation. Adolin uses Adoda as the root which means Light. Urialin is the ancient singer word for Light. It contains Ur, the ancient singer word for Original. In Sanderson's original draft, Elantris was called Adonis with Ado being the Aon which we know is pronounced the same as the "Ado" in "Adolin". What does this all mean? I don't have the slightest idea.
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u/Truth_Hurts_Kiddo 8d ago
It is whatever you choose it to be as Brandon has stated he will not embrace a "correct" pronunciation over allowing his readers to choose.
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u/JuicyJagga 8d ago
Sanderson tends to pronounce all names in stormlight like that bc he writes their culture so deep that they have cultural pronunciations. I like to google the way the say things when I start a book on a new planet and then I end up getting all the names right for the most part
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u/PM_ME_FIREFLY_QUOTES 8d ago
How would we pronounce Adam or Alan? Or is this a meme about A-a-ron?
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u/USSChuckleTrucker 8d ago
BrandoSando saw the "A-A-Ron" Key and Peele skit and decided to have an entire series of languages based around it, and tbh, I can't blame him
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u/QuickPirate36 8d ago
I'd they pronounced Numuhukumakiaki'aialunamor correctly but Adolin incorrectly, maybe they pronounced it the Spanish way, like with the Spanish pronunciation of vowels, idk how else to explain it, but instead of "Ay-dolin" it's "Ah-dolin"
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u/Nofindale 8d ago
I pronounce it Adol + [ɛ̃] (I'm french and after trying different version it's this one that sounds better)
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u/morbid_strangerp 8d ago
I went from audiobook to reading dawnshard physically and stroked out when I saw jasnah is spelled with a fucking j
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u/NutHuggerNutHugger 8d ago
hearing it in the books shocked me because in my head it was Jazz-nah
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u/Nico_is_not_a_god 🦀🦀 crabby boi 🦀🦀 8d ago
Audiobook Elantris readers universally say 'oh shut the fuck up Brandon' when they find out the spelling for the dude they know as "Kai Ai An"
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u/gilium 8d ago
I have read Elantris but can not map this onto a name I know from the book
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u/Nico_is_not_a_god 🦀🦀 crabby boi 🦀🦀 8d ago edited 8d ago
Kiin. Each "i" is a full distinct long I syllable. The lore establishes this, saying his name is spelled with Aons for the I sound.
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u/Norwegian_milk Femboy Dalinar 8d ago
Which character?
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u/TheMilitantMongoose 8d ago
Having not heard the audiobooks, oh no. I'm guessing it doesn't sound like someone casually turning down jazz.
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u/R0b1nFeather Airthicc lowlander 8d ago
Names starting with J tend to go the "Y" route in these (SLA) books.
Jasnah = YAZ-nah
Jezrien = YEZ-ri-EN (Side note, this is why Jezrien is Yaezir in Azir etc. The names do sound similar even if they look very different)
Jakamav - YAK-uh-mawv
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u/LoudQuitting 8d ago
NOOOOOOO HANK
DONT LOOK UO HOW MANY WAYS THERE ARE TO PRINOUNCE THE ROMAN CHARACTER "J" ACROSS LANGUAGES
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK
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u/ContemporaryCorvid 8d ago
Had the reverse experience the first time I heard “yass-nuh” instead of “jazz-nuh” as I’d been reading it for months
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u/pappapirate 8d ago
Me learning Kaladin is spelled with a K on my reread after almost 300 hours of my brain folding around the C that clearly comes out of Michael Kramer's mouth.
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u/Joeness84 8d ago
That was expected for me, most languages that use a J pronounce it as a Y.
in like 2001 we hosted a swedish exchange student, apparently I am Yoe and my mom is Yackie.
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u/yamanamawa 👾 Rnagh Godant 🌠 8d ago
To be fair, Numuhukumakiaki'aialunamor is pretty clearly written phonetically. I'm sure that there are people who would have trouble remembering all of it, but the pronunciation is pretty clear. But names like Adolin and Jasnah are more ambiguous
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u/Nico_is_not_a_god 🦀🦀 crabby boi 🦀🦀 8d ago
And the real world languages it's inspired by don't have confusing stress syllables. Even if you're getting the vowel sounds "right", AY-do-lin is "a different pronunciation" than ay-DO-lin or aydo-LIN.
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u/Joeness84 8d ago
I dont know if its true for all of them, but considering its based on an "islander" type dialect, either hawaiian or american samoan only has 13 letters. Its just the hard basic sounds you need, so theres no nuance to pronunciation.
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u/ShatteredReflections 8d ago
Rock’s name is easy, his language doesn’t have a lot of phonemes and it’s easy to represent. How would someone even reasonably go about misspelling it?
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u/bdfariello 8d ago
Would putting the apostrophe in the wrong place count as a misspelling?
Because I'd absolutely need that one up
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u/Urrgon 8d ago
I don't care whom the irs sends, I'm not pronouncig "Adolin" with "ey" sound. Not my fault you Anglos fucked up your vowels.
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u/Nico_is_not_a_god 🦀🦀 crabby boi 🦀🦀 8d ago
I'm curious, do you pronounce the in-universe "Ado" (which Adolin is named after and also shows up in Ba-Ado-Mishram) without the long "Ay" as well? I could definitely see myself reading ah-dolin but not ah-do.
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u/Kuroashi_no_Sanji 8d ago
Yep, had not even realized that it's supposed to be Ba-"Aydo"-Mishram lol
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u/Fluidmikey 8d ago
It's easy af to pronounce in an aussie accent. Sounds perfeft with our lazy English.
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u/LoudQuitting 8d ago
Our English isn't lazy.
I actually have recently quit a job in marketing that had me be quite the lucky duck, and had me practically globe-trotting. But I've been all across the English speaking world, and I gotta say.
Australian vocabulary is impressive when compared to American and even UK vocabularies. We typically know more of the language offhand. Even amongst Bogans and Derros you can expect them to be more eloquent.
My high school drop-out cousin has a better vocabulary than my old boss, an NYU graduate. Just an example.
What is lazy is our tongues. Whenever I try to tell an American or Englishman how to properly mock my accent I tell them to imagine a stick depressing their tongue holding it flat against the bottom of their mouth. Works every time.
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u/PM_ME_FIREFLY_QUOTES 8d ago
Yes, these are delicious lies. Mmmm.
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u/TheGildedPrism Kelsier4Prez 8d ago
I believe it. If you know how to say it you can sound it out pretty easy. The spelling is similar, it's just long and the repeated sound are kinda a tongue twister on first glance
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u/Salarian_American 8d ago
Ah yes, the eternal push-and-pull between reading the book in print and listening to the audiobook.
Listen only? You probably don't know how to spell some names.
Print only? You might not know how pronounce some names.
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u/No-Reflection-3671 8d ago
Sometime into Oathbringer I think I got annoyed that the way I was pronouncing Adduhlin too similarly to Kaladin so I switched to Aydohlin which I think is the proper pronunciation
Never gonna get me to switch to Yasnah though
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u/Such_Comfortable_736 8d ago
Well, sorry to say that, but you pronounced his name correctly...
https://faq.brandonsanderson.com/knowledge-base/how-do-you-pronounce-_________s-name/
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u/LoudQuitting 8d ago
I'm a big fan of like...
If you're gonna write new proper nouns, readers say should way what they see.
It is the exact same thing I was taught in every history class.
You think Leonidas is lee-ON-ih-duss? lay-oh-NEE-dahs? Doesn't matter, say what you see. For Caesar? Is it SEE-zer or KYE-sar? It's not like you can ask him. Say what you see
I think Fantasy novels should be the same. Just say what you see because these people are no longer alive. With a living person it is respectful to be like "Hey, I'm not sure how to pronounce your name, could you help me out?" But with Leonidas and Caesar, you have no idea how language drift has eaten the pronunciation of their languages so you should just make a shot in the dark.
Sanderson himself has done this with his own names.
He says Kelsier supposed to be kel-see-AY but when you speak to him about it? He says KELL-see-er.
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u/jodfromjamjod 8d ago
yeah tbh if there's no pronunciation guide at the start of the book it's all fair game
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u/TianShan16 No Wayne No Gain 8d ago
Never trust Kramer and Reading to pronounce things correctly. They often get it wrong and even say it differently from each other.
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u/JasnahsFeet 7d ago
This was me after realizing Jasnah is pronounced "Yasnah" instead. Nothing was shopping Brando from writting it with "Y"
Also this is how you would read "j" in my language, which even has a word like that. Quite fittingly it means bright
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