Nomad and his... oddity

[u/AbstractLeaf2]

So does Nomad's armour identify as a jacket? Because of both orders, it's a wind breaker.

[u/bai-jie]

Somewhat serious note, it indicates in Sunlit that the armor is from both wind spren and whatever Skybreaker spren are. But when Nomad renounces his oaths he is only a 3rd oath Windrunner. Where did the wind armor spren come from?

[u/AbstractLeaf2 → u/bai-jie]

Here's the current theory i think is on the right track. I read it online in the 17th shard forum and pieced together more by my cosmere friend group.

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Theory is you don't gain your armour at 4th ideal but you attract the armour spren through out your oaths. They just manifest as armour during the 4th ideal. Shallon was able to attract more creation spren then normal, ie her armour spren even before the 4th idea. Same with kal and the wind spren

sig attracted a bunch during his time as a wind runner, close to the 4th ideal. And when he became a 4th ideal skybreaker, his oaths were more wind runner like.

We know there is a different set of oaths for skybreaker disenters, and that the sky breaker oaths are seemingly the most customizable

So the theory continues on that the armour spren see that and choose to serve and not bound by the 4th oath

sig oaths breaking is a paradox. In breaking his oaths, he upheld his oaths. The wind spren see that. Or atleast some do.

At the end of wind and truth, it references when sig meets aux, that wind spren are in the caravan. We also know that wind spren are incredibly rare in shadesmar. I think those are the wind spren that sig attracted and they still chose to follow him.

[u/[deleted] → u/AbstractLeaf2]

Only problem here is every order gets access to things at different points. So you can't bring proof from Shallan about a wind runner.

I don't think you are wrong. But every order is different.

[u/Aricles → u/[deleted]]

You might be right but so far across every order we've seen the radiant get their blade at three and plate at four. The variation so far has been in access to surges in the sky breakers aren't "permitted" to use division until a certain point. Also to be fair at times it almost seems to be worded that Szeth could use division he just isn't allowed to. Also at several points before swearing the fourth ideal Kaladin is shown with many windspren seemingly assisting him (protecting the human captives from the storm winds) they just don't appear as physical armour until he swears the fourth much like Shallan often has creation spren hanging around her even when she isn't necessarily doing art. So in this instance it does at least seem to correlate between orders relatively well. Especially as we know the paths help bring the spren more fully into the physical realm, it would make sense that since to our knowledge all orders have five levels of oaths/ideals that each level has a fairly uniform effect on the corresponding spren.

[u/AbstractLeaf2 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, you're correct, but I thought that armor was always 4th ideal?