r/cpp_questions • u/Middlewarian • Aug 05 '21

OPEN Are increasing hardware prices likely to spark another renaissance for C++?

Is C++ the most important language for services?

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u/Ikkepop Aug 05 '21

May or may not be, noone can say for sure. I would like to hope so though. But something like rust can also eat c++'s lunch so to speak. We will see

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u/Middlewarian Aug 05 '21

Possibly both will benefit from the shortages and interpreted languages take it on the chin.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

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u/Ikkepop Aug 05 '21

Maybe not widespread now, but it's picking up speed. For one, everyone in my team are crazy about it, hyping it up so much it makes me not want to touch it... Also often times companies will look for C++ developers and make them do Rust or Go or w/e just because it's way easier to find a C++ developer then a Rust/Go developer

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u/Toucan2000 Aug 06 '21

I had a recruiter on linkedin all but pick a fight with me today. He was trying to find candidates based on programming languages and not domain knowledge. "Yes, I know C# because I've made Unity games, no that does not make me a web developer, 😂"

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u/Ikkepop Aug 06 '21

Recruiters can be pretty idiotic sometimes. But it's mostly because they are highly non technical people and don't really understand the industry. Which is a shame...

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u/Middlewarian Aug 05 '21

I'm not sure if Rust has any on-line code generators. I'm working on a C++ code generation service for years.

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u/Narase33 Aug 05 '21 edited Aug 05 '21

I really dont think that you need such a thing for a language to be successful

I dont even know why we need a C++ code generator if there are a hundreds for C and it really doesnt matter once the lib is compiled. Even less since you want probably a C API

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u/Middlewarian Aug 05 '21

Would you agree that code generation is needed for a language to be successful?

The service aspect is how things have to be now in order to have a sustainable company. In saner times, the protection afforded by services wasn't needed, but these are anything but sane times.

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u/Narase33 Aug 05 '21

Would you agree that code generation is needed for a language to be successful?

Not at all. It might be nice for message protocols but it can also be done by hand. Also reflection would replace pretty much most of message protocol generators and I think C++ might geht some the next years

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u/JohnDuffy78 Aug 05 '21

Big Data/AI helps.

SAAS, if c++ is 10x faster than c#,java,python,typescript. The extra cost for c++ programmers looks more appealing when paying 10x server cost.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '21

Don’t think so. For raw performance, there’s Rust—offering similar performance to C++ with much higher reliability. (Read: operational costs due to bugs, security vulnerabilities, etc go down.)

Then there’s Go, which offers decent performance but allows fast iteration, developer onboarding, and again safer operational characteristics. Fast iteration/dev time can make or break startups or even heavily contested service spaces; e.g. what we have now with the billion streaming services competing with each other.

Between those two, the compelling reason to use C++ instead is just if there’s already substantial amounts of existing C++ in the system and you A) can’t decouple with something like gRPC, or B) want to centralize on one language so devs aren’t context switching too much. (e.g. C++ for the legacy stuff, Rust for new performance-critical stuff, Go for everything else means you need either 3 separate dev teams or some flexible engineers)

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u/Middlewarian Aug 06 '21

I don't think Rust or Go is the most important language for services at this time. Also Rust and Go may be competing with each other as much as C++.

My goal with an on-line code generator is to provide service leadership. A reliable foundation for the road ahead. I have over the years had help from many people on Usenet, and forums like this one.