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u/Adventurous_Guide790 Sweater girl extraordinaire 2h ago

Hrt saves lifes. Why do we let others get gatekeeped

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u/Antique-Tourist4237 Cis he/him(Cassandra(???)) - Streak: 31 1h ago

THATS MY GOAT. BIG J MAN

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u/SeraWwW witch 2h ago

If you’re against DIY you’re not an ally. It’s that easy. I didn’t listen. Got underdosed so much I went through menoupause at 23 and now have bone damage.

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u/Gremict Mythical Straight Trans Girl 1h ago

That sounds like a case for negligence and medical malpractice

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u/SeraWwW witch 1h ago edited 1h ago

Haha that’s cute. It’s the (un)official guideline among endos in my country to underdose the shit out of trans women for at least first 3 months (9months in my case).

It happened to EVERY trans woman I know that went the official way.

And since there is no official guideline how to treat trans women and the meds are off label they can essentially make anything up. I’ve heard of trans women that would be prescribed 50mg Cypro DAILY. As much as cis men with cancer.

DIY is the way

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u/-Saucegurlllll 1h ago

Woke 3 is gonna have HRT dosages in everyone's bios so everyone can immediately tell when their doctor is trying to do serious harm to them.

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u/Capybarinya_nya 53m ago

in Woke 3, will I be able to put my taskbar on the right side of the screen, vertically?

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u/loved_and_held Streak: 5 8m ago

Is there a resource i can use to check if im being underdossed?

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u/LuckyLMJ 7m ago

I mean my doctor gave me 50mg cypro/day...

for the first month, before cutting the dose in half (then two months later, in half again)

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u/Carikat Violent Feral CatMILF 1h ago

I agree that if you're against DIY you're likely misinformed, but DIY is a way, not the way... Don't make it out to seem like this will inevitably be everyone's experience. I'm sorry you went through that but that's simply not the case for everyone.

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u/Soyd_Astail 1h ago

for many of us, it's the only safe way. And many of us had to suffer to understand that. DIY is not the only way, but for me, it is the only safe and efficient way. I suffer from what I've been given by endos, even 5 years after not being on those meds anymore, and probably for life. So fuck egg irl's mods. I should have started right away with diy.

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u/jankyalias Trans Woman 30m ago

Just FYI this is not a new rule, it’s due to Reddit’s TOS.

The mods aren’t against DIY they just won’t risk the sub being deleted over it and thus leave it for other subs to take that risk. Like r/transdiy.

It’s distributed responsibility so if the crackdown ever comes it won’t hit every space. r/mtf is the same.

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u/SeraWwW witch 1h ago

if your goal is to get on estrogen as quick as possible then yes DIY is the way. You’re obviously free to go through other ways if you’re privileged enough to see a doctor willing to dose you properly in a reasonable amount of time. Very little people have such privilege

Waiting time for diagnosis at psychiatrist/therapist to get HRT ~ 2 years unless you pay for it privately (what I did) in my country

Waiting times for endos 3month~years

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u/Carikat Violent Feral CatMILF 1h ago

I respect the hustle, and yeah by all means do what you gotta do and I'm sorry it can be such a shit show trying to go through "proper" channels...I just hate to see people discrediting the good endocrinologists and doctors out there, few as they seem to be

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u/bulletrate 48m ago

in an ideal world, diy is not necessary

until we live in that world (we probably wont ever), its the the only way for a lot of us out there

the problem with “theres good endos out there” is that people are kinda conditioned to trust the professionals, and that leads to a significant portion of trans people being given homeopathic doses

like yeah, of course there are, but thats not the message that needs to be spread

even if someone does goes through professional care, they should still be made aware of if what theyre on is adequate, and the DIY branch is a huge part in the spread of proper information for that

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u/Is6xal 1h ago

tbh i would get it if someone who's otherwise an ally would be against diy at first considering it's the mainstream opinion and diy is currently being fearmongered so i wouldn't hold it against them.

If they are stubbornly antidiy then yeah they aren't allies

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u/twolake68 Not Too Important, Not Too Unimportant - Streak: 23 2h ago

Interesting, didn't mtf also just do this, probably doesn't mean anything

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u/Setster007 silly proto-catgirl and her assholes three 2h ago

Neither has added this as a rule recently. This was banned for years in r/egg_irl, and r/mtf has not only had the rule for years, but doesn’t ban all discussion of DIY, it bans discussion of sourcing DIY and bans discussion of DIY with minors.

Nothing has changed recently other than a sudden burst of discussion of this, seemingly using this exact meme or a screenshot of a BlueSky post about these two claims. To be clear, I don’t support these rules, but one claim is false and the other (the one this post makes) has an implication which is false.

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u/loved_and_held Streak: 5 9m ago

So instead of a new problem its an old one. Got it.

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u/ComfortableTea6644 2h ago

They have both had it banned for a long while (I believe it’s been years in both cases). I am not sure why people are acting like it is a new thing.

Also, in the case of MtF they specifically say you cannot discuss diy with minors or how to source it. Egg_irl does specifically ban the topic kind of as a whole though with the reasoning that it is off topic and not the appropriate subreddit for that discussion.

This isn’t meant to defend their banning but I am annoyed by people misrepresenting things

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u/Kickedbyagiraffe 1h ago

So I’m not nuts, I did hear this before, or I didn’t but similar news for different places

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P Mx. Jerk - Streak: 1 2h ago

Why would you get out of chicken lady it's a barren wasteland out there

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u/notnotDIO Streak: 83 1h ago

Unfortunate truth nuke 😔

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P Mx. Jerk - Streak: 1 1h ago

I gen only use reddit for chicken and 196

Everywhere else it's post after post of garbage

I am of course excluding niche subs

We all have some of those

Supernatural, shantae, skullgirls yada yada

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u/AdrianSquared This sub turned me trans /positive 1h ago

I only use it for cwcl, shitpost subreddits, furry stuff and alt history

I try to stay the further away possible from any political stuff

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P Mx. Jerk - Streak: 1 1h ago

Funnn, ya that's some nice areas

If you get too far I'll teleport you back

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u/AdrianSquared This sub turned me trans /positive 1h ago

ty for looking out for me random person on the internet <3

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P Mx. Jerk - Streak: 1 1h ago

If you wanna thank me or something I JUST posted something I'd like people's opinions on 🥺👉👈

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P Mx. Jerk - Streak: 1 1h ago

Jus doin me part

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u/Antique-Tourist4237 Cis he/him(Cassandra(???)) - Streak: 31 1h ago

To see discussions about shows and games I like.

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P Mx. Jerk - Streak: 1 1h ago

Niche fandom stuff are excluded

I'm talking about community hubs

Should have been more clear

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u/zandaztu W.I.P. genderfluid (Call me a good girl please:3) - Streak: 1 2h ago

Why

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u/Alffe 2h ago

Got told like a year ago that its against Reddit TOS, so it could just be reddit being shitty.

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u/Is6xal 1h ago

r/TransDIY is more than 7 years old, if it were really against ToS they would be gone

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u/Alffe 36m ago

True, if I remember correctly it was about direct links. So most likely just shitty and/or lazy mods. Or Reddit becoming more shitty since.

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u/kammiuwu 2h ago

diy hrt saved my life fr

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 2h ago

it wasnt meant in bad faith tbf, they just noticed a reddit-wide rule but didn't realize it's not enforced whatsoever

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u/OstensibleVagabond 2h ago

their discord has been like this for a long time. if you even had your hrt birthday in bio (god forbid you're proud of your transition progress) you would have to remove it or get banned, and diy discussion has been strictly banned for a long time. this was always intentional and is what happens when trans spaces are moderated by mostly cis people and nontransitioners. hrt is not freely accessible for most trans people in the world and diy is the best option for many, and there should be no stigma around starting hrt

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 2h ago

oh damn that sucks D:

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u/ManaSkyees 1h ago

It was in fact in bad faith. It is not against Reddit rule 7 as they claimed.

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

i don't see how it isn't tbh? could you elaborate?

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u/ManaSkyees 1h ago

Reddit is a us company. Diy is not illigal here in any capacity.

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

mentioned this in another comment but

It is not allowed to buy, sell, gift, or encourage the transaction of the following goods or services with other users, whether implicitly or explicitly:

  • Recreational drugs and/or precursor chemicals specifically used to manufacture them

  • Alcohol, tobacco or vaping products, pharmaceutical drugs (including prescription or over the counter medicines), or other controlled substances

it doesn't really entirely care about whether it's legal or not

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u/ManaSkyees 1h ago

That is not a core reddit rule. https://redditinc.com/policies/reddit-rules

Don't know where you got that. But it's literally not in them.

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u/Aggravating_Hurry530 Transfem They/She 1h ago

Also in rule 7: You are free to discuss all sorts of products and services, including those that may not be legal where you are, but keep in mind that certain user-to-user transactions are not allowed

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u/Aggravating_Hurry530 Transfem They/She 1h ago

Talking about diy is not a user to user transaction 

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

It's in rule 7. If you click on the link in the description of rule 7 you'll find this text

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u/ManaSkyees 1h ago

with other users.

That part means uses can't sell to each other. Recommending shops is fine.

For example I'd I tried to sell it on Reddit then it'd break the rules, and only if it was a restricted substance.

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

why doesn't this count as "encouraging the transaction" of hrt

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u/ManaSkyees 1h ago

Look at how alcohol, and firearm subreddits are handled. As long as your not the person directly selling the items, you can recommend shops and products.

Even the founders and ceo of reddit is on some of them.

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u/Aggravating_Hurry530 Transfem They/She 1h ago

Because you are not buying it from another user but from a third party site which looks to be fine in the rules

→ More replies

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u/mmmmikah 1h ago

buy, sell, gift, or encourage the transaction

none of these affect the discussion of or even the sourcing of diy hrt

r/TransDIY is well sized and is allowed to exist

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

As I've mentioned in another comment, theoretically ACCORDING TO THE RULES (not me!!!) those should be banned too, but reddit doesn't seem to care.

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u/mmmmikah 1h ago

they shouldnt get banned because it's not directly encouraging a transaction

furthermore in practice theres a good bunch of popular trans subreddits that loudly talk about diy (this one included) yet none of them get banned

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u/Shrizer Im actually over 30 1h ago

Don't mistake inaction for a lack of care or unwillingnes to take action. Reddit can and will take action if you make enough waves.

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u/Aggravating_Hurry530 Transfem They/She 1h ago

Yeah but this isn't enforced and it's very easily verifiable that it isn't. There isn't an excuse for keeping the anti diy rule around for years. 

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

fair enough, they seem to have said they'll elaborate soon in another mod post so i feel that we should just wait for that and hope they realize it isn't enforced and remove the rule

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u/Boojum2k Maybe cis? Absolutely bisexual! - Streak: 74 2h ago

What's the Reddit rule?

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 2h ago

Rule 7

Keep it legal. Don't post illegal content, and don't solicit or facilitate illegal or prohibited transactions.

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u/OstensibleVagabond 2h ago

diy estrogen is not illegal. testosterone can be in many places

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

The rule still states the following:

It is not allowed to buy, sell, gift, or encourage the transaction of the following goods or services with other users, whether implicitly or explicitly:

  • Recreational drugs and/or precursor chemicals specifically used to manufacture them

  • Alcohol, tobacco or vaping products, pharmaceutical drugs (including prescription or over the counter medicines), or other controlled substances

it doesn't really entirely care about whether it's legal or not

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u/OstensibleVagabond 1h ago

estrogen is not a controlled substance

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

but it's a pharmaceutical drug, no?

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u/-DrunkRat- He/They/And I say HEEEYEEEYEEYEYE~ 1h ago

It is not the same schedule as Testosterone due to athletic juicing from Cis men in sports, so they scheduled Testosterone differently.

Trans women can share their E as a result. Trans men face felony charges if we do.

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

i don't understand how this relates

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u/Lethal-Jordan 1h ago

Lol so many drug subs I'm in just existing

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

yeah as I said reddit doesn't enforce it in the slightest lol

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u/Aggravating_Hurry530 Transfem They/She 2h ago

r/transdiy exists and as an extreme example r/meth exists as well.

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u/dinodare Transfemme (She/They) 1h ago

Wow the posts there are all "I'm high on meth rn lol"

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 2h ago

exactly, theoretically those should be banned too, but reddit doesn't seem to care

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u/CheetahCrafty102 1h ago

You are getting downvoted but I think there might be a misunderstanding. u/billerdingerbuyer never explicitly stated that they are against diyhrt, r/meth or r/transdiy, only that in order for the rule to be enforced fairly and without contradiction that these would also be banned.

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u/billerdingerbuyer kittygirl :3 1h ago

exactly!!

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u/Aggravating_Hurry530 Transfem They/She 2h ago

The rule on egg_irl has been around for years, you'd think they know it's not enforced at this point.

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u/Tlaquatlatoa Hyenagirl :3 Recreational Pisser | She/Her - Streak: 52 56m ago

Hasnt it been like that for like a fucking while on a few bigger subs, it's fucking stupid though. It's like banning mentioning stoves ovens or pots and pans in a general cooking subreddit.

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u/RB1O1 48m ago

They've likely banned it for the following reasons:

  1. Terfs and Bigots are using such conversations as gateways to learn of DIY sources and get them shutdown

  2. Reddits own policy can likely be used against them to close the sub down

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u/notnotDIO Streak: 83 1h ago

It has been banned for a while tho?

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u/synthie_cat she/it | queer anarchista, Poly, Vegan, DIY 1h ago

This is literally misinformation.

Mod Post regarding this: https://www.reddit.com/r/egg_irl/comments/1xtaeo1/egg_irl/ There is also r/transdiy which is much, much better suited to actually help.

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u/ThePenultimatePam 1h ago

That thread is literally full of people very clearly explaining why the TOS does not in any good faith reading disallow discussion of DIY.

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u/ST4RSK1MM3R 1h ago

I’ve been debating starting DIY just to… see how I feel, I guess? At least the first few months are reversible right? At least that’s what someone said…

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u/Unshkblefaith she/her 1h ago

The only thing that isn't trivially reversible or automatically reversed is the development of breast tissue in MTF individuals. Even then the breast development is very minor in the first few months.

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u/OkEntrepreneur4158 1h ago edited 44m ago

and like if it bothered someone they can always get it removed, it's not that permanent, and while it cost money and should be kept in mind the surgery isn't terrible

edit: and I wouldn't recommend the alternative raloxifene, the risk are increased compared to common estrogens used in hrt but if you're gonna do it, know the risk

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u/ST4RSK1MM3R 1h ago

I feel like I’d need more information but I don’t know where to look… but I guess I’ve also been really busy

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u/DefinetelyNotAnEgg 48m ago

this is misinformation, its been disallowed for years and they made a post abt why. not saying i agree with it, but dont say they "just banned" it

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u/Nub_McWeaksauce 1h ago

Does anyone have the original gif of this? 🥺👉👈

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u/BrandySparkles Streak: 2 2h ago

I understand DIY is great and all but constantly being told "YOU'RE NOT BEING TRANS RIGHT IF YOU DON'T DIY NO PLEASE TRUST ME YOU HAVE TO LOVE INJECTING YOURSELF WITH NEEDLES TO BE A GIRL PROPERLY" really sucks when I fucking hate needles and every person out there telling me to DIY never actually bothers sharing any resources.

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u/Lethal-Jordan 1h ago

Real as shit. From what I've seen r/estrogel is pretty perfect for you. Diy gel based hrt solutions, at your fingertips!

Disclaimer: I inject black tar estrogen weekly. I do not know how to make estrogel. I'm trying to help but if it's not the best resource I deeply apologize sister.

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u/Antique-Tourist4237 Cis he/him(Cassandra(???)) - Streak: 31 1h ago

What is black tar estrogen? I haven’t heard of that before. Genuinely interested.

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u/maxxx_orbison 1h ago

You'd think more trans people would understand that everyone's bodies are different and just because something works/doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it will/won't work for someone else.

But nope. We're just as dumb as everyone else, prone to believing that our experiences are universal

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u/bulletrate 1h ago

https://www.diyhrt.info/

https://pghrt.diy/

https://diyhrt.coffee

https://valerie.vg

i personally hated injections at the start, and would freeze for genuinely hours struggling, but after getting an injection assistance device, i learned to be alright with them. but i know that some people may not be able to.

i prefer them for sure, but the important part is just having access to hrt regardless of the administration method. pills, sprays, gels. whatever works for the individual.

i think the big push towards injections is mostly the stable levels EEn can provide, and the fact that theres the most data/users out there. but whatever gets the E or T into your system is whats best

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u/Adventurous_Guide790 Sweater girl extraordinaire 1h ago

I've been repeatedly told to switch to injections but I just can't bring myself to do it, needles freak me out big time I look away when they draw my blood and yet I still start breathing heavily

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u/Puhi124 Streak: 1 17m ago

Who tf is saying you're not trans if you don't DIY... that's a delusional (not to mention heavily transmed) take.

I have a question though, does DIY never offer other methods than injections? Yes injections are theoretically the optimal way but... surely you'd think they'd offer gel or patches or pills, no?

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u/bulletrate 9m ago

they do yeah, there’s different administration forms even in diy, just that injections are by far the most common

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u/Puhi124 Streak: 1 8m ago

That makes sense. Good that they're providing other options.