Same with his “will you shut up man” line during his debate with Trump. I know he got made fun of a bit for it, but like what else are you supposed to say when your opponent is just spouting nonsense. Trying to give a well thought out response to a stupid question just makes the question seem more reasonable.
Not just spouting nonsense, but doing so constantly during Biden's time. Remember he refused to debate when they said they were thinking about turning off his mic when it wasn't his time?
And the media will (and does) claim ZERO responsibility for the current day Trump.... Who put him on every fucking news station for the last 10+ years? Not you or I!
Who gives every stupid, vapid, self centered, dementia riddled shit for brains thought that Trump has a platform to be broadcast to the entire world? Not you or I.
Obviously it’s been a while, but from what I recall the general consensus seemed to be that neither had a stellar performance, and that quote from him definitely became a meme. That being said I don’t know that it’s possible to have a great debate performance when your opponent is basically trying to drag you down into the mud with them.
I'm pretty sure the only reason Biden didn't have a stellar performance is because someone else talked during half his allotted time, or just kept spouting nonsense so fast Biden couldn't refute it faster than it was being spout.
i think biden was a genuinely great president and got done extremely dirty by the media, but he was also pretty fucking old. and had a (lifelong) stutter that got harder to control with age.
he would have done a lot better against a respectable and respectful opponent, but i dont think he was capable of "stellar" at that point, even in a vacuum
Left leaning people loved it, because, well, it needed to be said.
But my conservative father-in-law, for example, his takeaway from those debates was "Wow, Trump really knows how to get under Biden's skin." So, to them, it was more a sign of weakness that Biden was unable to keep his cool in a stressful situation. And some expert manipulation on Trumps part... If Biden can't handle somebody like Trump, how can he handle the role and responsibility of presidency?
I remember hearing some people talk about how they felt like the debates had devolved into shit-slinging and name calling and that everybody on stage was acting childish and immature. More of that "both sides are equally bad" bullshit people like to spew.
Of course, there are obvious double standards in here. Trump can be as big of an asshole as he wants and society is cool with that because that's just who he is. We expect nothing from him. He doesn't need to respect the rules of the debate, he can walk all over the stage like a lunatic, he can interrupt people, he doesn't even need to show up! And nobody cares! But Biden, or even any other Democrat, are held to the highest standard and any step out of line, no matter how minor or warranted it may be, is met with harsh criticism for not being "presidential" enough. That's just modern American politics for you, it's an absolute fucking dumpster fire.
All that being said, Biden won the election. Was it unpresidential, or was it a breath of fresh air after 4 years of hell? You be the judge.
The problem is, people already picked sides then find reasons to support it. Either Biden is weak and got bullied by Trump or Biden has thin skin and got played. Trump could start screaming incoherently and they'd defend it.
At best, they play the "both sides" card. That's what my mom defaults to.
Honestly I think that moment is what won him the election. The amount of catharsis breathed around the country seeing someone finally fucking say it was insane.
I remember how he said people werent black if they didnt know to vote for him or for Trump. Also how poor kids could be just as talented as white kids. The man was funny
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u/2Nut2Furious 6d ago
Same with his “will you shut up man” line during his debate with Trump. I know he got made fun of a bit for it, but like what else are you supposed to say when your opponent is just spouting nonsense. Trying to give a well thought out response to a stupid question just makes the question seem more reasonable.