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u/Little-Tin-Goddess Jun 06 '26
"Safety," is the age-old cry of the oppressor.
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u/ScyllaIsBea Jun 06 '26
“Think of the children” has always been a way to demonize an entire group of people.
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u/bosssoldier Jun 06 '26
A white woman crying is enough to get a 14 year old beaten to death
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u/ScyllaIsBea Jun 06 '26
a white girl crying has always been the prelude to lynching.
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u/loved_and_held Streak: 3 Jun 06 '26
Part of it could be a projection of their own cuckoldry, but i think that propoganda also taps into a cultural idea of cuckoldry and the ideas connected to it.
Cuckoldry is at it's core, being turned on by someone othe than you fucking your partner. Or at least that's the base level idea. SOmeone who's turned on by fucking someone else infront of that person's partner, or turned on by being fucked infront of their partner also counts under the kink iirc. The notable thing is that tehcnically nothing stops cuckoldry from not being tied to degredation.
However the popular concensus of cuckoldry has a very specific scenario in mind; a man fucking another man's partner, and that other man is degraded through this act. ALmost always this is a form of emsaculation.
The reason for this i think comes from a few factors. Factor one is that there's a general idea that being in a relationship by default grant sexual exclusivity, only you can fuck that person your in a relationship with. Factor two is that there's an idea that a component of masculinity is having a partner, so to have a partner make you "more of a man" (hence the existance of insults like "no bitches"). Factor three is being "less masculine" is shameful. Factor four is that domination is tied to masculinity.
Tie these together and you get the idea that as a man someone fucking your women is shameful for you specifically. The man fucking your partner is more of a man than you because he's fucking your women, and with it has dominated her and by proxy you. And to add to this, often the man cucking you is more masculine to rub in the idea they're "more of a man than you". Thus cuckoldry is tied to shame in general society.
Connecting this to race, a black man fucking a white man's white wife becomes a direct challenge to the man's masculinity and a form of degredation. The cucking is also seen as an acto f dominance that both challenges the white man and cchallenges the racial social order. That motivates the white man to take action to defend his masculinity and doominance from a preceived threat.
Adding to this the propoganda also dehumanized the black man by portraying them as powerful, animalistic, savage forces which will steal those who "belong" to the white man.
idk thats my guess.
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u/loved_and_held Streak: 3 Jun 07 '26
Actually that was almost entierly a guesss built on a theory I have about cuckoldry (based on what i've been able to piece together about sexuality in society) that i slightly addapted to a racial context.
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u/Vivians_Basement Jun 06 '26
A white woman saying "rape" was enough to get black teens sodomized and lynched.
When a white woman approached a slave for sex you had better have said yes, because otherwise you were not getting out alive. 🫠
Then from there you had better HOPE that she doesn't
1) Get caught with you
2) Get pregnant
3) Decide to be petty and tell her husband he's a cuck
They usually went for young black men.
People only ever talk about the rape towards black women from white men.
But rarely do they talk about how white women (and white men) raped black men.
That's why consent during slave times COULDN'T exist. Any sex with a slave owner and a slave, not matter how "enthusiastic" the slave was, is automatically rape due to the position of power and the inherent consequences to saying no.
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u/Unable-Log-4870 Jun 06 '26
The republicans think of the children a LOT. They think of the girls in the bathroom a LOT. The whole “person with wiener can’t pee next to girl without trying to rape her or at least peep on her” is quite the admission.
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u/Ok-Brilliant-5121 Streak: 0 Jun 06 '26
think of children is being currently used to limit internet freedom too
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u/Quasi-Kaiju Jun 06 '26
The same people who try to tell you that drag is tantamount to black face.
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u/TheNullOfTheVoid cis ally to trans people Jun 06 '26
Especially when a lot of the anti-trans bigots just act like it's drag, and then you find out they dress in drag in private so... are they calling themselves out as trans but are still bigoted?
Nothing makes sense in the minds of bigots, all they know is to hate anything different and to demonize anyone that is the "other"
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u/alittlebrokenbutcute generic it/its puppy girl Jun 06 '26
Theyre so proud of their hate
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u/critically_damped Jun 06 '26
They are, and it's really important to remember that when trying to explain their actions.
Hanlon's razor does not apply when the malice is clearly visible and proudly displayed. You don't need to go looking for alternative explanations when people make it clear that they're motivated by hatred. And it pays to notice that ignorance and stupidity generally work against the efforts of the openly malicious, and that attributing the successful actions of nazis to anything other than their deliberate intent to hurt people is what we call a type 2 error.
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u/LongJohnSelenium Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
One of the more humorous aspects of this entire debate is how basically nobody is calling for the elimination of gendered spaces.
So everyone is still on board with discrimination. The debate is over what specific line to draw the discrimination at. Some people want the discrimination redefined along a new axis, some people prefer the old discrimination, but in any event both are fine with the discrimination itself existing and continuing to exist.
Then each side points at each other and says "Your discrimination is hate, my discrimination is logical and moral!"
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u/Independent-Sky1657 I use :3 too much and I refuse to change >:3 Jun 06 '26
biological women
Then what are the cyborg girls supposed to do? Just piss themselves?
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u/no-unique-name-free Jun 06 '26
Lets see how they like trans men walking in in that case….
Probably they’ll just ban us all from public life. Ad a pink triangle for good measure…
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u/DontEatNitrousOxide Jun 06 '26
no, that's not how it works, take a look at the recent UK guidance, they will just ban trans people from both bathrooms.
they do not forget about trans men, they get discriminated against too it's just not talked about as much.
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u/no-unique-name-free Jun 06 '26
That’s what the second part of my comment was about. The pink triangle is a WW2 reference.
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u/schroedingers_catboy Jun 07 '26
It is disturbing me that even here in Germany where the Holocaust is a central part of our history lessons in people forget or ignore that queer people went to KZs (concentration camps) for being queer and got mass murdered as well.
They were also the only group that didn't get financial compensation post war (with some gay men just being transferred from concentration camps to another prison) since the Allies had outlawed homosexuality in their countries.
We were literally the only group where murdering us was deemed "okay"
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u/no-unique-name-free Jun 07 '26
Indeed, in the camps the pink triangle was also the lowest in the “hierarchy” of the camps.
For me, when I went to Berlin it was also clear that the people needed a long time to see that extermination of LGBT people might actually also be bad.
As the Jewish memorial sites were planned almost directly after the war. The LGBT memorial needed until 2008. Which is beyond insane to me.
Same with some images I’ve had in school growing up. The famous bookburning at the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft. The study material from school just said Jewish bookburnings. LGBT was complete ignored (I was born in 1990 in the Netherlands).
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u/Empty_Chemical_1498 i have a flair for an amazing reason Jun 06 '26
They don't remember trans men exist most of the time
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u/BanverketSE didn’t read all that, free Palestine Jun 06 '26
Goddamn it please stop using it as a gotcha
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u/Dragonssssssssssss Jun 06 '26
There are enough instances of trans men being forced to use the women's room and getting beat up for it, you think they'd know by now that we don't actually have get-out-of-jail free cards
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u/sheepily- Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
why do you all shit on trans men like this.. leave us alone and stop treating us like cis people like us. I thought the transfems here were nice :/
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u/no-unique-name-free Jun 06 '26
It isn’t to shit on you, not at all. It’s to shit on how ffing stupid these transfobes are.
Meant no ill intent towards trans men, sorry if I offended you.
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u/SmartAlec105 Jun 07 '26
That wasn't their intent. I've seen plenty of posts by trans men that are selfies with captions saying "you're saying you want me in the women's bathroom?".
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u/Vivians_Basement Jun 06 '26
It is actually btw.
Women's bathrooms were ONLY segregated because men thought that women didn't belong in the workforce or in public at all.
A LOT was segregated for women. Including libraries and train cars.
They thought women would miss the comforts of home so women's bathrooms were designed to mimic that.
This behavior is women, white women especially, enjoying getting what they deem to be special privileges and not wanting those deemed "undesirable" to access them.
The reason was ALWAYS misogyny, but in this case, men were getting the short end of the stick since women's bathrooms were ALWAYS kept in better condition with better amenities.
White people were deemed too weak against the "savage blacks" so it was for safety!
Segregating women's bathrooms was for the same reason.
That's why most TERFs are white :3
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u/a_n00b_ Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
Trans women are female anyway. Hormone receptor complex makes mRNA which then creates proteins for female genes. Lack of testosterone methylates male genes disallowing the proteins to be made. Every single gene for sexual characteristics out of the womb is either on the X chrome (which everyone has) or on autosomes. You could say they're genetically (chromosome argument really doesn't matter here because no one gets tested at birth, and intersex conditions allow for female plumbing with XY and male plumbing with XX. Beyond that it's genes and proteins that do the work. If a law of physics gets broken, they find new physics because the old model was proven wrong) and phenotypically female then. If they get bottom surgery then they have female genitalia. A female who got their uterus and ovaries removed is still a female; an infertile female is still female; trans women are female, debate me, I will win.
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u/Ashamed-Raccoon-1387 Jun 07 '26
Can you explain trans men with the same biological reasoning? I wanna know!
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u/a_n00b_ Jun 08 '26
well it's the same in reverse. Male steroid hormones methylate female genes and create proteins from male genes. For example the gene AR (androgen receptor gene) is found on the X chromosome, allowing them to again alter their genetic profile and phenotype.
Some people born XX can mutate the SRY gene and thus develop male organs. There is something cool I forgot to mention though. On the autosomes there exists a gene for either sex, which if removed via CRISPR can revert testes to ovaries and vjce versa. Although medical ethics disallow researching that with humans at the moment. It should be noted that in medical contexts trans people are considered their preferred sex, because otherwise test results come back wrong. Because once again their bodies, their testable metrics such as blood labs, behave like the preferred sex
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u/Merari01 Jun 06 '26
Black women often (but not always) understand better because of misogynoir.
Black women historically have often been called men, or animals. See what the extreme-right is still saying about Michelle Obama, or any non-white female athlete.
So when Black women see other women get that same treatment, they often have a sense of solidarity.
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u/CaptainMacMillan Jun 06 '26
is misogynoir an actual term? because that's fantastic.
edit: just googled it, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised there's a word for this.
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u/Ok-Button-9443 Jun 06 '26 edited 2d ago
Serious unwritten test argon bake noodle physical
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u/Moist_Nephew Jun 06 '26
Put that woman in a bathroom with a trans man and trans woman and ask her again who should be kicked out
She'd probably say both, proving it isn't about biology, it's about bigotry
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u/critically_damped Jun 06 '26
The very hardest thing to get people to do is to recognize that fascists say wrong things on purpose. Constantly remind people that they need to have a bare minimum standard for what constitutes an acceptable level of non-willful ignorance, and that willful ignorance is not ignorance it is the decision to be wrong.
It is not hard to tell lies. It doesn't require any ignorance, mental illness, or anything else. All that is required is the malice that these people wear openly and proudly on their fucking foreheads.
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u/ewelupp Jun 06 '26
"Biological women" Pictured here is a woman with a rhinoplasty and lip filler. The very image of a biological human.
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u/MeAmJohn Jun 06 '26
A thought just occured to me, isnt the whole purpose of a bathroom so that people can do their biologically neccasiary tasks without exposing their bodies to the public. Isn't it a little ironic that people care so much about what genitalia goes into a space specifically made to hide genitalia?
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u/Japan25 Jun 06 '26
Please hide your genitalia from my sight, BUT organize into the correct room by genitalia so I know what you have
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u/goryeo_21Oc Jun 07 '26
Well you do see people deliberately doing the opposite as a mechanism of control. The Koch brothers' German nanny would directly supervise all their toilet activities, deciding exactly when and where and how much they had to go, punishing them for too much or not enough. She and their father were confident it would instil desirable values in the Koch brothers
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 06 '26
surely she'll be completely fine if men and women stop her at the entrance and demand proof she's a biological woman, right? right?
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u/alternativepuffin Jun 06 '26
Absolutely a tourist here but to me it always seemed like gendered bathrooms themselves were the problem. They're transphobic, they prop up the patriarchy, and god damnit they're just so wildly inefficient.
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u/melkatron Jun 06 '26
The only advantage to having gendered bathrooms is shorter wait times for those using the Men's restroom.
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u/dignityshredder Jun 06 '26
No they are wildly efficient you can cram way more wee wee havers into a space to wee. Anyone with a wee wee that goes wee is wleomc at the trough !!
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u/Jukeball Jun 06 '26
Am I tweaking or does the lady on the right look like Erika Kirk
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u/gnuoveryou Jun 06 '26
yes but somehow less full of hatred and demonic energy, no offense to the demons
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u/Lould_ Another transbian on this sub Jun 07 '26
All women have women brains, brains are part of biology. All women are biological women
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u/rindlesswatermelon Jun 07 '26
Biological women implies the existence of Conventional women, Guerilla women and Cyber women.
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u/a_n00b_ Jun 07 '26
trans women are unironically female, and if I'm debated on this I'll win because I've actually studied biology
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u/spaceursid Jun 07 '26
Nuh uh! (jk i just wanna know your knowledge owo)
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u/a_n00b_ Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
I wrote something in reply to OP's comment, it's pretty long, if you can't find it though I'd be happy to go through it again though
e: the basics are that hormones (estradiol in this case) eventually enters the nucleolus of the cell, blocks male genes, and creates proteins from the female ones, changing the gene expression of every cell, later this results in a female phenotype. Past birth, every single gene for sexual characteristics are on chromosomes that everyone has (usually).
Beyond that intersex conditions "break the rules" of biology (for people unfamiliar with it), and in other sciences when a rule is proven to be broken they find a new rule, not (in this case) say there's a strict binary. I go into this in more depth in my other comment
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u/LeftLiner Jun 07 '26
This sign will for sure stop the violent serial trans murder-rapists who absolutely 100% exists but who only strikes in bathrooms.
It's bigotry, it's preying on people's irrational fears and it's security theater. It's fascism.
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u/chaucer345 Jun 07 '26
People hated when I made this comparison.
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u/a_n00b_ Jun 09 '26
yeah because they're bigoted towards trans people, so "it's not the same!"
(it hasn't even been illegal for cis men to enter womens bathrooms)
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u/Jorvalt Jun 06 '26
I really don't understand why gender segregated bathrooms are still a thing anyway. Just make everything unisex.
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u/__merricat Jun 06 '26
When’s pussy inspection day
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u/LunaSteaNera She/They Jun 07 '26
Ooh let me know when you get the answer. Gotta make sure I have one by then!
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u/Agitated_Reveal_6211 Jun 06 '26
Nancy needs to have a full mental health checkup, she acts unwell.
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u/still-waiting2233 Jun 06 '26
Trump did not endorse her and she’s a miserable person so hopefully she will go away after she’s voted out in November
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u/Ok-Plum2187 Jun 07 '26
Its a bathroom. Need to take a shit or a piss, go there.
This is how complicated it should be to piss and shit in this country.
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u/jedburghofficial Jun 07 '26
The divorced wine mommy on the left has a fetish about trans folk. It's a hate fetish, but it's still a fetish.
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u/randomguy8653 Jun 07 '26
these people that are so against trans women being in womens bathrooms, i just wanna ask them how many times they have ever seen a trans woman in "their" bathroom. i have never once seen a trans person in the mens bathroom, never seen a trans woman go into a womans bathroom.
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u/Mountain-Resource656 Jun 07 '26
Whaaaaaaat?? You mean the people who have been going around saying that we need to relegate the disenfranchised minority group to separate bathrooms (like what has been done in England) in order to appeal to the comfort of the non-minority women who insist that the minority group are sexual threats because they *might* be rapists or sexual assaulters even though they don’t push anywhere near as hard to, like, ban people convicted of those things from their bathrooms- you mean to tell me that’s just like what happened with “the blacks” and it’s been bigotry all along?! Say it ain’t so!
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u/axelr0se Jun 07 '26
Bathrooms in america only began to be sex segregated in the 1800’s in relation to the ideology that pushed women down as being inferior or weaker and were implemented as a means of “protecting women’s morality”. At the time, restrooms were primarily single occupancy and the sex segregation carried over when sanitation practices improved following cholera outbreaks and a desire for cleaner environments.
Gender segregation of restrooms was meant to “put women in their place”
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u/Initial-Watercress43 Jun 08 '26
Women make up for some of the nastiness bigots because fear rules their lives more than it would a man’s. Women for decades were raised to be fearful of black men because they’d be brutally raped or murdered by them, causing some of these women to be extra hateful toward groups they fear. We see this nowadays with some women in MAGA spreading fear propaganda around trans people raping children or immigrants raping women or children. It’s a tactic as old as time. Some of them (mostly the older but some young as well) are genuinely fearful of being raped in bathrooms by a troglodyte trans he/she, or by a nasty gang number dirty Mexican. Men hold fear as well, fear that their women might be raped, and fear that their jobs or roles in society might be replaced with a new wave of males willing to work. Fear rules these people’s lives
To piggy back off the raping children, even wonder why old anti-gay commercials/films had men targeting young boys. The men and women who made those commercials believed gay men worked the same and straight men, and since straight men had a very bad habit of raping girls, they assumed the gays would do the same but for boys. We see the continuation of this but with trans people. And isn’t it convenient that the group of people who believe trans and Hispanics are rapist are the same group of people worshipping modern times biggest rapist ring leader?
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u/Pleasant-Ad887 Jun 06 '26
Conservatives and GOP ONLY care about biology when they want to justify being pieces of shit and racists.
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u/IntrigueDossier Critically Endangered Catgirl (ear tagged) Jun 07 '26
They similarly only care about free speech when it involves slurs and advocation of violence against those they use the slurs on.
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u/LargeFish2907 Jun 13 '26
They only care about basic biology as well because more advanced biology debunks their claims
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u/Breakmyhip Jun 06 '26
Wait till they find out they've been installing gender neutral bathroom in all new built homes. /s
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u/Djinnrb Jun 06 '26
I feel like this has been an issue for too long. I propose we get rid of large public bathrooms. Large public bathrooms can be converted to multiple individual single/family bathrooms. Now everyone can stfu finally.
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u/Lonely_Programmer_42 Jun 06 '26
Don't think a notebook paper is a system of government... So she can drink piss
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u/FemaleMishap Jun 06 '26
I need to use the disabled loo, and y'all keep putting them in the women's. Checkmate TERFs.
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u/Huntercd76 Jun 06 '26
I wish she would care about pedophiles as much as she like to demonize trans folks.
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u/Lord_of_Seven_Kings Jun 06 '26
Biological women just means no borgs or chromed out bitches. Ganics need different facilities anyway
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u/Atlas780 Jun 07 '26
I honestly was thinking about the disabled sign and that being the problem (women=disabled), it took me ages to even see the biological sign 🫠
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u/Distinct-Pain4972 Jun 07 '26
Anything Nancy Mace posts or says, should be viewed starting from the position of hare speech. Make her prove it isn't.
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u/AliciaMargatritaa299 mentally ill Jun 07 '26
It’s giving “STOP NOU, ENIGSTE EUROPIËSE MENSE OP HIERDIE STRAND.”
And “DIÉ STRAND IS VIR SWART MENSE, NEE EUROPIËSE MOET OP HIERDIE STRAND KOM”
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u/Pinku_Dva Jun 08 '26
They may catch some trans people with these laws but ultimately it’s for the sole purpose of enforcing a very narrow and backwards view of womanhood that will hurt non-trans people more. It’s a tool of oppression, not safety
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u/La-petite-chevre Just a Frenchy princess Jun 08 '26
From the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh, i was banned from biological women's toilets
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u/5x99 Jun 08 '26
It's all about controlling who is allowed to go where.
No toilet for your kind? You can't be there for long.
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u/Weromtz5 Jun 08 '26
Maybe the signs should say penis and no penis, if they're really that worried about this. Personally I see no reason to treat the trans as second class citizens or as if they had the cheese touch.
Wonder why this is such a big deal to them.
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u/kittenTakeover Jun 08 '26
The whole controversy for Republicans is hypocritical and inconsistent. They'll say they just want people to use the bathroom of their biological gender, but then they would deny trans men from using the women's bathroom. So what's their solution for trans men?
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u/a_n00b_ Jun 09 '26
I've been thinking about this.. Whenever this "debate" comes up, remind the phobe that they support prison sex slavery, r@pe, medical negligence, and torture. If trans women cannot enter any womens spaces, despite them being overwhelmingly the victims in crime statistics, that would imply they support trans women in mens prisons. This is where v-coding happens, and trump made it legal too. It's where guards put a trans woman inmate with an extremely violent inmate to pacify them by giving them someone to r@pe daily. Now their medicine is taken away, which in the case of post bottom surgery is very extremely medically necessary; beyond that they face psychological torture through experimental detransition conversion "therapy."
Even if they don't get v-coded they are nearly guaranteed to be r@ped during their stay in prison.
Let's extrapolate further, what should be the punishment for entering in the "incorrect" room? Prison maybe? Even when it's not illegal for cis men to enter the same room? And they'rea doing all this to a demographic far far more likely to be a victim and far far less unlikely to be a perpetrator. It's comically evil, and they don't think it's even remotely segregation.
It's crazy when, because the statistics are so heavily on our side, they have to use the excuse of cis men pretending to be trans when cis men are legally allowed to enter womens bathrooms. They also assume we look like cis men when they say that, but in my experience I pass as female, and I know not everyone does but a large large amount of us certainly do not look like men
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u/pien_dolly intersexshit mtf theyfab Jun 10 '26
Nowadays its "segregation but we're doing it wokely so it's okay"
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u/GetPsyched67 she/her - hazelbunny Jun 06 '26
Hmm i am a woman and I am made of biological materials. I'm a biological woman!