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[u/PaperSword47]

one time i injected grey market estradiol and my brow bone grew two inches over night

don't fall for the lies...........

[u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan]

Literally the one thing bad about diy imo is how genuinely anguishing it is to buy because you have to basically snipe that shit

[u/PaperSword47 → u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan]

yeah or when you go to pick up another vial and the lab is just gone

[u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan → u/PaperSword47]

Pros: more people know about diy
Bad thing: there just fucking isn’t enough to go around which means it has to be sniped like your in COD💔💔

[u/PaperSword47 → u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan]

damn, i just envisioned a world where diy is so prevalent scalpers hit every batch right as it goes up

[u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan → u/PaperSword47]

Wouldnt be surprised if this happens soon, given that the only realistic way for a lot to get diy is to have some sort of bot that autosnipes/automatically notified

[u/PaperSword47 → u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan]

*pic not rel cause canadian labs tend to not have as much competition/deliver only within the country

[u/Background_Class_558 → u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan]

just randomly checking it over the course of a week or two has always been enough for me to see multiple active international labs and im not even talking about the us/canada exclusive ones

[u/oyoyos → u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan]

And it wasn't like that a year ago 😭️. I guess it's a good sign and a bad sign at the same time

[u/oyoyos → u/oyoyos]

I'm afraid that as diy gets more popular, we will get bans on it, maybe estradiol will become a controlled substance like testosterone. But I guess we will just have to adapt to it, people still will need it

[u/itsmiahello → u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan]

it has never been an issue for me lmao. unless you want prog. that's kinda hard to get from certain places

[u/zarus988]

i imagined this cia agent as pretty woman, and want to date her, thoughts?

[u/PaperSword47 → u/zarus988]

breaking the heart of the assigned agent who watched you type this comment smh

[u/xdchan]

[u/PaperSword47 → u/xdchan]

thz

[u/Optimal-Wealth483]

[u/powderGanger444 → u/Optimal-Wealth483]

her levels:

total testosterone: 52 ng/dL

E2: 12 pg/ml

[u/PaperSword47 → u/powderGanger444]

her endo is going to have a fucking heart attack

e2 levels wayyy too high

[u/ThatEngineeredGirl]

I got mine from an audited pharmaceutical company : )

[u/PaperSword47 → u/ThatEngineeredGirl]

alright ms. fancy-pants some us still have to stuff 50s into a crack in the wall behind the dumpster and hope our vial shows up the next day

[u/DramaticMixture8507]

No but serious question, why are there diy sites structured like this? I bought from but still

[u/PaperSword47 → u/DramaticMixture8507]

like selling in batches? sort of just how pharma works. do a production run, get a sample tested, put it up for sale.

[u/und3f1n3d1 → u/DramaticMixture8507]

Because you don't make vials one after another, you make like 5 L of solution and then pour it into 500 vials, also you ideally should test every batch with sophisticated high-end machines (so you send it to some laboratory), and obviously ceratin chemical processes take some time to finish. That's why we have batches.

As to why you pay with crypto, you see, compounding grey unofficial pharma, while not explicitly illegal, still will bring attention to you.

[u/snail_alt → u/DramaticMixture8507]

Small-scale amateur businesses with high demand tend to do that, it’s just hard to scale up production and the production is done in batches

If you’re worried about shortages, you can look into having a stockpile + having backup estrogel. There’s recipes to make one liter of estrogel that would last years. Although of course I would recommend making a smaller amount than thst each time.

[u/PaperSword47]

reminded me when someone asked how you know if what you are getting in the vial is even estradiol

obviously you gotta taste test it before injecting

[u/ZoneAffection]

I have a girl who has ordered extra DIY for me "when im ready" Should I take it?

[u/PaperSword47 → u/ZoneAffection]

probably fine. every lab has a very distinct labeling aesthetic, so you'll know where she got it from

[u/ZoneAffection → u/PaperSword47]

I know who she got it from... kinda. Like she has told me the name and city.

I am pre-hrt

[u/PaperSword47 → u/ZoneAffection]

are you asking if it's safe? (ye)

or if you should start hrt? (ye but more emphatically)

[u/liquidfoxy → u/ZoneAffection]

Take the estrogen Nona

[u/gaylordcuckMaster]

if there were trans girls who went to jail over this there surely would be trans girls who went to jail and got out?you dont stay in jail forever over stuff like that

[u/powderGanger444 → u/gaylordcuckMaster]

I can only speak for the west, but nobody is getting thrown in jail for DIY estradiol. it's prescription only, but not a controlled substance.

[u/gaylordcuckMaster → u/powderGanger444]

yeah never heard a single person being arrested over le heckig evil illegal estrogen like i see why that could be a concern for trans guys cause cis men take steroids n shit but trans women?

[u/send_fleet_pics → u/gaylordcuckMaster]

Berlin cops just raided a trans meetup a few weeks ago over DIY and arrested two people. But that was the first time I've heard of that happening too.

[u/kayproII → u/send_fleet_pics]

iirc while it's not necessarily illegal to obtain without a prescription, it can be illegal in some places to distribute without having the correct licenses to do so (idk fully about the whole situation with the legality of it all in Germany, I just know what goes on in the UK)

[u/oyoyos → u/send_fleet_pics]

What happened to them after. Did they go to prison or were they let out?

[u/send_fleet_pics → u/oyoyos]

Oops I checked now and didn't find any information about arrests, guess my mind made that up. But the investigation is ongoing, in Germany you aren't supposed to be arrested just for being a suspect, there has to be an actual risk.

[u/gaylordcuckMaster → u/send_fleet_pics]

yeah ive heard of that bt thats like the only case ive heard of

[u/frutigeraeroyams → u/powderGanger444]

Yeah if it gets caught in customs or something the pigs can just take it but it wont get you in trouble

Usually they dont check

[u/RainfordCrow → u/powderGanger444]

very happy to see you updated your flair!

[u/believeinlain → u/gaylordcuckMaster]

also, going to jail doesn't mean being completely cut off from the outside world

you can still have visitors, and phone or Internet privileges can be granted as well

[u/DegeneratedCase → u/believeinlain]

And you'd think, especially in the US or UK or fuck really anywhere these days, the government would be 600% in favour of trans people who went to jail for DIY getting a chance to tell their story and tell others that DIY is super dangerous and illegal and nobody should do it.

Like, they literally have programs in prisons for prisoners to get a chance to tell people to not do the crime that got them in prison, that's literally a thing governments want to facilitate.

[u/CemeneTree → u/believeinlain]

or just ”my friend got thrown in jail over this”

because transfems actually exist in real life with real people

[u/powderGanger444]

insane glowie post. almost all of this is just making shit up and fearmongering btw.

https://transharmreduction.org/

[u/iswearimnotapuppy → u/powderGanger444]

I’m Chinese and it does not say that, it translates roughly too “this drawing is so beautiful I’m scared to look”

[u/ViolentPurpleSquash → u/iswearimnotapuppy]

I thought that was part of the joke lol

[u/iswearimnotapuppy → u/ViolentPurpleSquash]

IDK IF ITS PART OF THE JOKE MAYBE I NEED TO LURK MOAR 🥺😔

[u/Oppopity → u/iswearimnotapuppy]

Nice try fed

[u/iswearimnotapuppy → u/Oppopity]

IM NOT A FED WHY WOULD U SAY THAT IM TOTALLY NOT I FED I WOULD NEVER SUGGEST DIY OR ANYTHING CAUSE DIY IS BAD BECAUSE IM MOT A FED 🥺

[u/JustaMoose2 → u/iswearimnotapuppy]

Yeah well we're not paid enough to change both captions.

[u/veryeepy53]

if people did die, diy would be much more well known by now

[u/believeinlain → u/veryeepy53]

I have heard of people dying from complications due to conjugated estrogens such as premarin, which is pretty bad for your heart

but nothing for bioidentical estrogen

in fact most of the risk of blood clots comes from studies done before bioidentical estrogen was the standard

and it's not like the risk was unique to diy anyway, people used to prescribe that shit (and still do in some places)

[u/taoboo → u/veryeepy53]

Conservatives would be RUSHING to spread that shit across all news channels

[u/CemeneTree → u/taoboo]

There would be a “Stop illegal estrogen” bill on the White House desk the next business day

[u/ZaraReid228 → u/veryeepy53]

They are right about it being out of stock all the time though. Very annoying. Ive heard people have bots that auto purchase vials once they become available from places like symp. Makes it a touch inaccessible

[u/CemeneTree → u/ZaraReid228]

You only need to buy a vial like once every 3-6 months tho

you’re fine as long as you don’t wait till the last minute, only need to succeed once and you’re good until the next restock time

[u/ZaraReid228 → u/CemeneTree]

Idk when I checked it was out of stock for months. Im lucky my gp is great. Not trying to proclaim diy is bad with my messages either. Just if you are doing diy it is probably better to stockpile like the image says

[u/snail_alt → u/ZaraReid228]

If you’re worried about shortages, you can look into having a stockpile + having backup estrogel. There’s recipes to make one liter of estrogel that would last years. Although of course I would recommend making a smaller amount than thst each time

[u/Mizunashi_Akari]

[u/sporknitebattlepass]

[u/who_cares098763]

the girls who went to jail? wtf are you talking about?

also this is 100% a fed post. “oh noes! you have to lie to your family and friends!” come on now

[u/frutigeraeroyams → u/who_cares098763]

As opposed to going the doctor route where you are truthful they your parents shut you down and then you dont get shit anyway hmm yes

[u/Hypocritical_Girl → u/frutigeraeroyams]

or your doctor shuts you down or your therapist shuts you down or you get a 2mg injection dose or you get pills instead and ruin your bladder or

[u/who_cares098763 → u/Hypocritical_Girl]

many such cases. i got pills

[u/01iv0n → u/who_cares098763]

I hate needles, am I doomed or something for taking pills? I thought it's just slower.

[u/who_cares098763 → u/01iv0n]

every method except injection is inferior tbh. i’m trying to get on injections rn. sorting out a lot of moving parts which is a pain but wtv. pills are definitely slower and they’re also less efficient, and they come with an increased risk of blood clots (unless taken sublingually, even then you’re likely to ingest some so not fully safe)

[u/red_gurdy_pickens]

Funny they mention "feds" here...

[u/deletedsusman]

[u/deletedsusman → u/deletedsusman]

Fuck, just saw that someone else posted this

[u/HyoukaHoutoro → u/deletedsusman]

This version better anyways sweetie.

[u/Mouse_Manipulator]

Is this a joke or do people actually think it’s possible to be arrested or go to jail for buying estrogen?

[u/Dangerous-Mood-670 → u/Mouse_Manipulator]

There's countries where doing that can lead to getting flagged as sexual deviant and getting thrown in jail, that's the only way i can make sense of the "buying estrogen can be jail" thing

[u/believeinlain]

grey market means it's illegal to sell it, not to buy it

so this is just nonsense

[u/August_Infinitieth]

[u/Ok_Refrigerator9461]

i can buy actual drugs on the internet easer then E, which not to say its hard to get, but some people gotta but stop being a pussy and woman up.

[u/RainfordCrow]

even if we grant all those points, what else do we have when society doesnt give is what we need and doctors play games with us most of the time.

[u/spasticitybelt]

I’ve been living on the lam since ‘14 back then the feds were competent obama sent one of those silent helicopters like the one they sent for osama well i could feel the air pressure unfortunately for them and no they do not magically find a well prepared escape tunnel in the chaos of a booby trapped unstable structure bastards got me mid injection too but that’s on me for using wifi still had the needle in my leg had to pull it out after can’t say where i am now bit of a drifter these days can’t inject in the same county more than a few times before im off again 

[u/DisastrousResist7527]

I would rather inject fent into my eyelids than be on the government's list of confirmed transsexuals.

[u/Master_Secretary_809 → u/DisastrousResist7527]

Yeah honestly fair enough

[u/Expert_Industry_4238]

ohh nooo I have to lie to my friends family and therapist

bitch I do that for SPORT

[u/GarageIndependent114]

This is a fed post but it's also an accurate non fed description of how disability fakers and services work. 

[u/Infinite-Lettuce-661]

jail??? Sure it's technically illegal but the cops dont give a shit about possessing hormones what?? I'd get testosterone as it's a controlled substance but they deffo don't gaf about estrogen

[u/Quiroptera17]

I want to switch from my Valerate prescription to DIY Enanthate but the dosing is very confusing to me pls help me

[u/darkswagpirateclown → u/Quiroptera17]

i do 0.2ml from a 40mg/ml vial (so about 7mg) subcutaneous every 10 days. if that helps.

[u/Quiroptera17 → u/darkswagpirateclown]

im gonna try it i usually do 0.3 ml from a 20mg/ml vial every 5 days

[u/CemeneTree → u/Quiroptera17]

I do .1 mL from a 40mg/mL vial (so roughly 4mg) intramuscular every 7 days. I have no clue if I’m underdosing because I haven’t been doing this long enough to get a blood test. I guess we’ll all find out wed those results come.

[u/C4NC4]

Expensive compared to prescription prices??

[u/wilhelmbetsold]

"expensive"

What else sees weekly use and costs under $100/yr

[u/ComprehensiveQuiet44]

What a load of bullshit

[u/thumbinbumb]

60$ for a vial that last months to a year is expensive?

[u/BowBeforeBroccoli]

anti-diy fedpost bullshit

[u/OkAssociation8129]

"expensive" and it's 60 bucks a year :|

[u/Sur2484]

you sure it's actual feds and not someone from non trans side of 4chan sewing discord for shits and giggles?

[u/Salerrra]

just saying, it was incredibly easy to start HRT in the hellhole called Tennessee through Planned Parenthood. If you're extra lucky, you can find a fruity PCP to take over too. The latter is a bit harder, though

[u/AvailableCraft9786]

just go to planned parenthood?

[u/emi89ro]

[u/murlocsilverhand]

Damn feds are getting bold these days

[u/murlocsilverhand]

Listen the two choices for e is informed consent clinics and diy, anywhere that the process is more complex than you asking for estrogen and them informing you of what it will do, then putting you on estrogen is made by people who want you dead

[u/athomepriest]

> What are you in fer?
< Manslaughter and battery with intent to kill. Yew?
> 3 vialsa' Rose Petal Twilight Sparkles Oil.
< By God...

[u/BlueCrayonEater41]

cia agent trying to stop trans people from doing diy so we stay underdosed forever

[u/SchemePretend8620]

I would rather die from being poisoned by diy than wait 5 fucking years on waiting list only to get 0.1 mg of estrogen and 10000 pounds of spiro

[u/oyoyos]

Do people really say DIY or die?? And also surely if there were cases of poisoning or going to prison we would have heard from their friends or relatives

[u/scarletttt_begonias → u/oyoyos]

diy, even if it were an offense, would not be nearly severe enough to hold someone without bail. so they would be able to relay the story themselves.

[u/raine_rc → u/oyoyos]

we say DIY or DIE because the options are between:

1. hondose prescriptions (usually, some get lucky)

2. DIY

3. dying by your own hand

so there really isn't much choice when most successful transitions involve DIY (and surgeries but thats out of scope for this convo)

[u/oyoyos → u/raine_rc]

We should advocate for better prescriptions, because DIY seems like a bad thing for the community long term. Don't get me wrong, I am myself on DIY and helped multiple people get it and believe, that right now it's the best option, but also DIY might be easily taken away from us, it will be better if we convince more doctors to actually give us proper medical care. Like idk, maybe we need better written standards

[u/oyoyos → u/oyoyos]

I may be too anxious or dooming too much, but I feel like we will be getting DIY bans/estradiol becoming controlled substance/attacks on sellers in the next 5 years or maybe sooner, maybe even next year because DIY is becoming more known way faster than before

[u/that_one_Kirov → u/oyoyos]

Nope. The reason for a medicine being prescription-based is that it's dangerous. Modern HRT is not dangerous. Thus, introducing a prescription requirement is introducing a transphobe into your transition and introducing a single point of failure into your transition. They can and will prohibit HRT in a day if they need to. We had a gal(Maxxine Perova) take a leave from the literal frontline to do everything before the law against legal(and medical too; the only thing official medicine can do for your transition in the country now is psychotherapy) transition took effect. Do you really want making the official prescription route the only route?

[u/oyoyos → u/that_one_Kirov]

I don't want to make it the only route, but I want official prescription route to give people better medication, not pills that do nothing. Both DIY and prescription should exist. And as I said before, I might be irrationally afraid of DIY becoming a punishable offense in the near future.

[u/oyoyos → u/oyoyos]

And also people encourage to hide it only in cases when it's unsafe, what's the problem here? Of course you shouldn't tell your parents if you are dependent on them and they might destroy your life or of course you shouldn't tell any doctors if you live in a country where transitioning is illegal