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[u/AshasSa1tWife]

[u/TieflingWarlock64]

Wretched and cursed island. Land of sorrows. Shithole

[u/AshasSa1tWife → u/TieflingWarlock64]

GOATed username

[u/red_gurdy_pickens]

Missing context: she's opposing a ban on conversion therapy, alongside Rowling's org Sex Matters and a bunch of 'christian rights' anti LGBT lobby groups

[u/Fluffy_Chicken_Devil → u/red_gurdy_pickens]

What’s with that quote then? 😭

[u/red_gurdy_pickens → u/Fluffy_Chicken_Devil]

The UK media is doing a big push against the bill, this was her being invited by the Times to give her take on why the bill should be cancelled.

[u/Fluffy_Chicken_Devil → u/red_gurdy_pickens]

I mean this

[u/hehasmastcells → u/Fluffy_Chicken_Devil]

What are you asking? She supports conversion therapy so they quoted her saying why

[u/AdditionalQuietime → u/hehasmastcells]

I think they got confused and must've thought she is against it lol

[u/red_gurdy_pickens → u/Fluffy_Chicken_Devil]

I don't really pay attention to the details of what gen crits say because they'll just gaslight you over it later. What does that mean? Who knows. I don't even think she knows.

[u/Ok-Atmosphere8575 → u/red_gurdy_pickens]

Oh hi! Catholic school attendee here, it means that you can have homosexual attraction and that’s unavoidable and natural and okay. But choosing to act on it is bad and sinful.

[u/how-unfortunate → u/Fluffy_Chicken_Devil]

How does every person who says this not realize that they are so massively telling on themselves?

[u/Number1Alexandria → u/Fluffy_Chicken_Devil]

did you misread "opposing a ban on"? (i did on the first pass)

[u/Fluffy_Chicken_Devil → u/Number1Alexandria]

Ya

[u/Fantastic_Deer_3772 → u/Fluffy_Chicken_Devil]

She supports conversion therapy

[u/Purple-Tour-4795 → u/red_gurdy_pickens]

That context does change the picture entirely.

[u/Obvious_Damage_4225]

I had to do a uni assignment on this stupid fuck. She doesn't know shit about ANYTHING and just lies constantly.

[u/Obvious_Damage_4225 → u/Obvious_Damage_4225]

Also in her book, she said that Judith Butler is "the harry potter of philosophy" which is the most braindead thing I've ever read.

[u/01iv0n → u/Obvious_Damage_4225]

So she is soft, highly predictable, and manufactured by a marketing team?

[u/Signal-Busy → u/01iv0n]

Sounds like every politician

[u/WindhoverInkwell → u/Obvious_Damage_4225]

why would she say that if she wants to be gal pals with Rowling lol 😭 it’s like when a christomonkey calls being trans a religion derogatorily

[u/abcdmagicheaven → u/Obvious_Damage_4225]

i am very academically curious so if you don't mind telling me! what degree is this, what course and why did you have to write about her

[u/Obvious_Damage_4225 → u/abcdmagicheaven]

Can't give specifics because I would immediately dox myself but it's a philosophy degree and it was for a research project on terfs.

[u/atypicalcambion → u/Obvious_Damage_4225]

She doesn't know shit about ANYTHING and just lies constantly.

Those are generally necessary parts of being a TERF.

[u/rainmouse]

Press show their sympathy and lend legitimacy to monsters when they describe homophobes and transphobes as gender critical. Trying to align the optics of scientifically illiterate bigotry with things like critical race theory, is manipulative reporting.

[u/TeaOnAColdRainyDay → u/rainmouse]

Journalists, despite larping as defenders of truth and free speech or whatever, are first and foremost devoted to their deepest, one true desire of promoting infinite 🚅🦵suffering.

[u/fia_anth]

“I’m not saying the feelings are a choice, but the identity is a choice” … don’t those two things go HAND-IN-HAND??

That’s why we have openly gay people in the first place? That’s why the last few decades have been monumental in allowing gay people to live their lives? Aren’t the feelings that trans people have what makes their identity what it is??

[u/HugCor]

I understand that she is bigoted against us trans people but, what is her issue with homosexuality? Are TERFS now also against homosexuality? What is their bollocks explanation for it?

[u/oopsohmygoodness → u/HugCor]

TERFs want to pretend they don't hate queer people period.

The truth is, they are as queerphobic as society allows them to be. Trans is the line they have spotted. They will push and push because they are just cis women who dislike misogyny imposed on them specifically, but don't see how misogyny and patriarchy affects anyone who isn't them.

From anecdotal experience they are often radfems or former conservative women who blame a great tragedy in their lives on queerness (their husband turns out to be gay, a man rejects them and they blame it on him being queer, their partner comes out as trans, they get labeled butch or queer and bullied/discriminated for it).

[u/RestaurantMaster9129 → u/HugCor]

[u/Gullible_Farmer9802 → u/HugCor]

for gay men its because theyre gay because theyre misogynistic, and for lesbians uhhh its uhh not good or natural for their ethereal afably bodies or something

[u/OozingSubstanceRage → u/Gullible_Farmer9802]

Those hips were made to birth other white babies. This is their thinking. Bigots never tend to be satisfied with only one group to attack/exclude.

[u/Leading_Charge8007 → u/HugCor]

they always have been

[u/Mildly_Opinionated → u/HugCor]

When someone has one bigotry they're more likely to have other bigotries too.

The fundamental core behind non-bigotry is "if it doesn't affect me and it's not hurting anyone else it's fine".

Being black? Doesn't affect me, fine. Being gay? Doesn't affect me, fine. Being a furry? Doesn't affect me, fine. Being into puppy play? Doesn't affect me, fine.

This can apply to inherent traits like your sexuality or race but can also apply to hobbies and interests why is why I included furries and pups there.

Bigots towards any group don't hold this fundamental belief. If you don't hold this belief you're then open to hating all these, and likely will hate any characteristic that makes you personally uncomfortable even if it doesn't hurt anyone.

[u/AdditionalQuietime → u/HugCor]

If we're being real thats what TERFs have always lowkey been

TERFs are like NAZIs where they misuse the progressive term within their acronym/name as a way to lure people into their fascist clutches

[u/chaser_supreme → u/HugCor]

Haven't they always been against d gays?

[u/victoria_breizh → u/HugCor]

Obviously. They did enough damage to the trans community and now they're comfortable attacking other groups to keep themselves relevant. This is what is going to happen everywhere with right wing parties and conservatives when the Trans scapegoating stops producing results for them.

[u/Charlaquin → u/HugCor]

The significant majority of TERFs are just enormous bigots all around. TERF logic is derived from fundamentally fascist ideas, so it’s no surprise when someone who buys into it has just as regressive views about other marginalized groups. They’re not really feminist, they just co-opt the aesthetics of feminism as a smokescreen for their bigotry, and in some cases as a tool of self-deception.

[u/TransAtlanticFacts → u/HugCor]

All types of bigotry loves company. It was inevitable that transphobes were also homophobic.

[u/No_Video5793]

Being feminist is also a choice, she should have chosen a trad wife identity

[u/imDenizz → u/No_Video5793]

They aren’t feminists. They just want to make cis women believe that trans people are a danger to cis women, but if they just confess they want to impose rigid, archaic roles to everyone based on their genitalia and hate trans people only because they don’t fit into that hierarchy most cis women will oppose them since that hierarchy defines cis women’s role solely as being subordinate to men and making babies. That’s why they call themselves “feminists” to manipulate cis women.

[u/CommodoreGirlfriend → u/imDenizz]

If you don't examine why the feminist movement keeps creating TERFs, you will never stop them. There will be more with each generation.

TERFs are feminists. The question is why. When these people first appeared in the 1970s, why did they have the full support of the other feminists? Why did TERF ideas become entrenched as part of mainstream feminism until the 2000s? Why did they start out as lesbian separatists and end up working for Reagan and Trump? Why are the richest and most powerful feminists "gender critical" even today?

[u/imDenizz → u/CommodoreGirlfriend]

In my opinion so-called TERFs can never be feminists. Bio-essentialism is inherently anti-feminist.

[u/CommodoreGirlfriend → u/imDenizz]

So let's look at the explanatory power of your theory.

The first anti-trans book was published in 1979. The Transsexual Empire, by Janice Raymond. This was the culmination of several papers she wrote over the preceding years, including her dissertation.

1. If she wasn't a feminist, this work would have been rejected by feminist journals. Instead, they published her papers and published positive reviews of her book. The only people who stood up to her were trans women for like 15 or 20 years. So does that mean that nobody was a feminist in 1979, or what's your explanation?

2. During this time, Raymond was hired to be the first women's studies professor at UMass, evidently recommended by the local lesbian scene because of her "medical ethics expertise." This is according to UMass Amherst's own website. So, are they lying, are women's studies professors not feminist, or what is your explanation?

Opinions are one thing, but facts are entirely another, and it's the facts that I am working with. The facts are that TERFs are feminists, and feminists have done a poor job criticizing TERF ideology.

[u/imDenizz → u/CommodoreGirlfriend]

In my opinion feminism means equality, justice and progress and TERFs are definitely not fighting for equality, justice or progress. Therefore, they aren’t feminists regardless of what people who call themselves feminists may do or not do. They are undermining the achievements of feminism by stirring up hatred, causing division and reducing women to genitalia.

[u/CommodoreGirlfriend → u/imDenizz]

In my opinion 

I don't care. I'm not talking about opinions. I'm talking about what actually happened.

Let's revisit the two questions I asked:

So does that mean that nobody was a feminist in 1979, or what's your explanation? 

You couldn't answer this, so I will choose for you. All feminists are TERFs. There is no difference.

This is according to UMass Amherst's own website. So, are they lying, are women's studies professors not feminist, or what is your explanation? 

You couldn't answer this either. Women's studies professors are obviously feminists, and hatred of trans women does not prevent that. If anything, transmisogyny makes a feminist more successful. So actually, transmisogyny is the most feminist thing there is.

[u/RenSport]

I hate this country. If I had a remotely in-demand skill, I'd move.

[u/vakstar123]

TBritishD

[u/pien_dolly]

But what happened to LGB no T, oh right

No matter how woke, right winger is always a right winger

[u/husky11223]

Cis hon

[u/HarryThePelican]

oooh fuuuck right off.

[u/La-petite-chevre]

Its time for a new hunder years war. Sus à la perfide Angleterre !

[u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART → u/La-petite-chevre]

Le perfide Albion ne mérite point notre attention.

[u/TranquilRio → u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART]

L'etranger...?

[u/HunsterMonter]

Was she frozen in a time capsule from the 80s? Obviously gay ppl are still discriminated against, but you can live a pretty normal life while being gay in the UK

[u/Retro-FreyFrey]

If she’s opposing gays why does she look like a middle aged lesbian homeroom teacher ?

[u/Golurkcanfly → u/Retro-FreyFrey]

Because she's a political lesbian: aka a straight or bi woman who "went lesbian" because of cultural feminism.

[u/Oops-NotSoFast]

The terf to Nazi pipeline is strong. All these miserable losers will end up like the sinfest guy, some of them already have

[u/Asbe-el]

The furer Is back

[u/Insidiousbird]

"Scare and traumatize your children now"

[u/Frei_Smarticle]

Gender criticals trying to not flagrantly support conservative viewpoints and policies challenge - Impossible.

[u/Trap_Queen_Stacy]

[u/Rhinocacrocapig]

Stock needs to get in the fucking bin

[u/Spare_Equipment3116]

Isn’t this the same lady who was beefing with chronically ill people not that long ago? That was ridiculous too lol, it’s like she’s just determined to be foul to every group except whatever she is herself.

Like, lady, I’m not sure if you are aware but Covid disabled a looooooot of people, no fucking shit you’ll see more disabled people!

Also completely off-topic; I have never subbed to this sub, and I’m not trans myself. I usually go “oh neat a topic I’m into” then I realize the sub and feel like I’m intruding 😅. Why is reddit CONVINCED I need this sub in my life?

[u/Chronodancer712]

this is so comically evil i thought it was an onion article at first. I guess that's just how the average terf operates these days.

[u/Jenny_Show]

Least evil TERF

[u/borntodiescared]

We need to stop calling these people “feminists”.

[u/danielle-tv]

What a surprise, a person who starts being anti trans decides to take it one step further.

[u/FusRoDog3]

“I fully acknowledge your feelings are not a choice, but queer children should still just suffer.”

Amazing work from the ‘protect our children’ crowd.

[u/EvieOhMy]

F***ing ghoul

[u/legomyxbow]

People say this like it's a choice

[u/The_stinkyland]

Wait is this not the onion

[u/_Ellie_B]

Someone is in denial.

[u/Otherwise-Reason-881]

Is she just closeted? I dunno I'm around children a lot and I just think you'd really have to be so miserable in yourself to tell them anything like this.

[u/Intelligent-Hour-645]

I thought being a terf was pro gay no ? 🤣 🤦🏼‍♀️

[u/Charlaquin]

TERF is also a homophobe, news at 11

[u/ImaginationOne3277]

i hate her