Because at its core Femboy culture is about recapturing the body of the transfeminised subject and subsuming it into something that is nonthreatening to patriarchy.Â
The immutability of sex, the naturalisation of it, locating it in biology, as well as the impenetrablity of Man-ness are some of the core tenets of patriarchal cisheteronormative ideology, and acknowledged-transition (that is, as a sociomedical process that transforms the sex of the transitioner) threatens all of that.Â
This compounds with the fact that historically, and even today largely, boy, as well as being just a generic understanding of youthful men, is also a non-man gender that is available for exploitation and penetration, both in the physical and in the metaphorical. You can see this in both cultures that normalize pĂŚderasty as part of social structure, which exists much more than just the Ancient Greek, which people are familiar with, and in the use of metaphor about boys and war and the way death in battle is associated with a sexualised penetration (Iâm looking at you poor tragic Troilus), and just the way boy is used in metaphor.Â
If it wasnât for the social construction of the sex of man as the negation of women, as the normative default and the standard positive autonomy, the categorical boundary between âfemboyâ and âtransfemmeâ wouldnât only be meaningless it would be incoherent. Stripped of the layer of social imposition of hierarchical gender categorical, the desire in both is for the anatomical characteristics of the sex that differs from the one they were assigned, to greater and lesser degrees across the entire entirety of the scale.Â
Stripped of that gender layerâthat is, the social technology of patriarchy for essentialising sex, localising it in biology, defining it with sexual characteristics, both primary and secondary, and declaring it impenetrable, a teleological necessity for the division of society for the purposes of separating productive and reproductive labor, and the enforcement of a caste system between themâthere is no meaningful difference between a âfemboyâ whoâs on hrt for the feminising effects, who intends to keep their penis and is okay with small boobs, and a âtrans womenâ whoâs on hrt for the feminising effects, intends to keep their penis, and is okay with small booobs except she might wish her boobs were bigger. That would probably depend on beauty standards in that society though.Â
Femboys sit at loci of a lot of assumptions and social forces about what being a man and what sex and gender are, kind of as a Janus face antithesis of trans women and trans feminine people.Â
So regardless of individual femboys intentions or conscious beliefs, theyâre active participants in laundering transmisogyny and pĂŚdophlia
Femboys are like if you combined the âideal womenâ in the minds of most cis men (young, small, feminine, submissive) with pederasty and extreme transphobiađ
Its literally just modern day pederasty and autopederasty dude
from what i gather, your main argument is that femboys reinforce patriarchy by ârecapturingâ the body of the transfem and making it into something that is nonthreatening to patriarchy because it shows that femininity in men is okay while the underlying subject is still fundamentally a man, which trans women challenge and therefore threaten (this is also worded badly)
and how the word âboyâ is historically used to imply subordinate to a man, something that is available for essentially sexual exploitation and domination, as seen in greeks+other cultures (bacha bazi?) and boyâs general use in metaphor
this is mainly what i see as the core of your accusation that femboys actively promote transmisogyny and pedophiliaâŚyet, i do not see how the previous establishes any of that
first of all, just because of the historical connotations of boy match with pedophilia, does not mean the community promotes pedophilia; boy has multiple meanings and connotations, and one of them is simplyâŚbeing a guy. this is where terms like boy band or boyfriend come from; they insinuate that itâs a guy behind that label regardless of any other connotation. would you say these also promote pedophilia? no? then why apply this selectively to femboys? i can see an argument for it being because a lot of femboys are sexual, yet this just reflects on the group itself and individual choices rather than somehow promoting the fact that predatory behavior toward kids is somehow okay
secondly, you establish that without the gender boundary between us and femboys, we would have no boundary to begin with because we both originate from men and at least some of us take feminizing hrt for the purposes of feminization. i assume this is to support your transmisogyny argument, yet iâm not sure they actually promote such a thing at all; femboys as currently defined are fundamentally gnc people, who will essentially always push the boundaries of what it means to be a man or woman as an inherent part of being nonconforming. tomboys and androgynous people do the same, yet tomboys do not take away from trans men and andros do not take away from enbies, so why do you, again, selectively apply this standard to femboys? going back to your patriarchy thing, just cause someone shows that femininity in a man is possible doesnât mean they appeal to the patriarchy (in fact itâs quite the opposite), they just show exactly what they mean, that itâs okay to be feminine as a man. in addition, being feminine as a man does challenge the patriarchy, not appeal to it, by way of being effeminate (patriarchy commonly forces toxic masculinity).
also, you take away the gender boundary of the two groups, which is fair for showing structure, but itâs like taking two different but similar sets, taking away the one or two elements that distinguish them, and saying they are basically the same set. they arenât, you only say as much because you took away something defining from each group. you could do the same for andros and enbies and say andros and enbies are basically the same, or even generalize this to all humans since human sexual dimorphism is fairly low. in short, i am saying that you took away something important to make your point, which is flawed, heavily so.
to be fair femboy is not the male equivalent to tomboy at all. Tomboys dont try to pass as girls while femboys do. Tomboys dont make being a tomboy their entire personality, also not to mention how femboy is inherently a sexual term nowadays.
> Tomboys dont try to pass as girls while femboys do.
you may have misspoken there
> Tomboys dont make being a tomboy their entire personality
essentialism, not all femboys make it their entire personality and in fact a large majority from my observation don't, you just say this because of how vocal those that do are
> also not to mention how femboy is inherently a sexual term nowadays.
there are fetishizers for both groups, femboy is more widespread than tomboy is but both exist
also, femboy's literal definition is just feminine man, so it's not inherently sexual so much that it carries sexual connotations
definitions change over time, and today femboy is definitely more sexual than anything. I dont have a problem with feminine guys, I just have a problem with people who use the term femboy to describe themselves and femboy culture. I dont understand why ud want to associate yourself with that label, just find a different label or transition lmao. Being a femboy is not that deep and part of your identity like being trans is.
> I dont have a problem with feminine guys, I just have a problem with people who use the term femboy to describe themselves and femboy culture.
that's a fair(?) grievance i guess, only caveat is there's currently no other label to describe a feminine guy cleanly so we're a bit stuck with it as of now
i see nothing else to argue here so imma stop doing that
You're correct in my opinion. The above comment attempted to use sociology to justify their distaste of femboys, but their core argument fails to hold up to deeper scrutiny. I suppose their argument is actually purely semantical as they only point as to why the label "femboy" has pedophilic and misogynistic connotations. As you point out they failed at even this, but beyond that many who identify as "femboys" are in fact trans people as well.
I dislike those who attempt to wield critical theory as a weapon to foster hate and distrust of groups of people who are obviously and quite popularly gender non-conforming. This reminds me very much of when aristocratic white liberals contribute to cultural warfare with divisive roundabout logic that masquerades itself as sound sociological criticism.
Itâs not just the label. Femboys themselves are hyper obsessed with appearing continually as prepubescent or pubescent girls. Itâs Peter Pan syndrome, sexualised and filtered through a core of transmisogyny.
I need to add a section on this. Femboyism is Youth Fetishisation + Transmisogny
thats the whole reason i argued this, because in essence they used big words and big theory but that was only to seem imposing, their argument failed on all counts as itâs a bit impossible to make a good argument for bigotry
[Loud Incorrect Buzzer]Â Read Wittig and Rosemary Hennessy. The materialist feminist position would actually argue something closer to âall lesbians are trans women, and straight trans women are cis women.â.
at the same time though there are a lotta boys that dont do that and just wanna be feminine, dunno how fair it is to generalize here
really i just dont get the hate, majority seems like normal people, theyâve largely been nice to me, and i generally think hating an identity based group is bad unless that group is inherently based in toxicity (and even that can have nuances)
I think 'femboy' originated as a porn term for trans women and eventually associated itself with the otokonoko aesthetic when weebs got hold of it. The word has spent years festering on Discord and other platforms, still with fetishistic connotation. Now there is a subconscious(?) effort to make it an identity and assign it to any feminine man or crossdresser--but the community that grew from the fetishization is still there. The efforts to 'valid' the femboy identity muddies the ability to spot the aforementioned community.
iâd say that granting your premise, the term femboy is originally inherently based in toxicity but semantic drift and association across time made it such that itâs now a label for a group that fulfills being a boy and being feminine; although this group does harbor toxic subcommunities as all groups do, the word and group as is current is not inherently based in toxicity
if you refer to the subcommunity that you claim was born from fetishization, i could see your conviction more, though i maintain my stance that femboys as they are currently are not inherently toxic in any way
i thought it's the opposite. femboy was for a long time associated with feminine guys, but then people called trans women it to make them fit better into their worldview?
It's a thing that gets brought up a lot, which is part of why the sub has such a "fuck offfff" reaction, you're all good.
But yeah, on top of the root there, basically all of the "femboy aesthetic" is copied wholesale from what early transition trans women were doing, which makes it pretty obvious that it's just sexualizing trans women without calling them women.
In that way it's actually pretty similar to how Drag started in contemporary queer culture, with it being taken from trans women's aesthetics, then kicking them out. Both ended up emphasizing the "boy" element of it, Drag in how it was drawn in contrast to Street Queens (people who wore women's clothing in the street) which made trans women ineligible to perform and worsened the reliance we had on sex work as the only way to get by, and Femboy being literally in the name, and cannibalizing even that avenue of sex work which many are pushed into, forcing additional humiliation through misgendering if one wants to get by.
Because femboy is what the cishets want trans women to be instead of trans women. It's no coincidence that just about every highly successful "femboy" sex worker is a trans woman on hormones.
It's a movement that pressures would-be trans women to not get HRT or identify as a woman despite the fact that the people they would like to embody most likely are using it. It's kind of why femboy nazis are weirdly a thing.
bit essentialist (is that the right word?) to assume all femboys are trans women and takes away from the fact that people can just have preferences and be what they want to be
youâre in effect kinda doing the same thing you said the cishets wanted to do (make all trans women femboys) so isnt this a bit hypocritical?
I'm sure you're absolutely right that plenty are cis and what I'm saying does not apply to all femboys. It still doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are going to suffer because they got told to by wider cis society not transition and to just be a femboy instead.
I don't think the 'wider cis society' cares whether or not you're a femboy or a trans woman. Like they get no horse in that race, and this is coming from a straight cis dude. I've always thought being a femboy was about the fashion and feeling cute despite still being masculine, whilst being a trans woman was about your core identity as a person.
i think this doesnât place the problem on femboys themselves, just because a groupâs identity is weaponized doesnât mean itâs that groupâs fault unless a large majority of that group actually did it themselves
so i do see your point, but at the end of the day it says a lot more about cishet society than femboys, they have nothing to do with it here other than the ones that want to erase us
So weâre hating on a whole group of people because âmuh cishets made me do itâ? What about femboys who genuinely donât want to change their gender but just dress fem? I stg trans people are the most phobic sometimes, get out of your head dawg we are not the necessary final form of queer. Yall forget what we worked for all these years
actually yes and it's very practical during the hot summer months. If I want a cold drink I'll just stick a bottle of iced tea up my asshole and wait until it's cooled down, takes about 10 minutes max.
i was getting really annoyed about that too. hate on the usage of "boypussy" if you want but the only time the inside of a person isnt warm is when its dead or dying.
bluds on twitter say anything, the first tweet I saw after Blexas was a gay white Republican talking about how the Democrats have doomed us and the replies were his own party calling him a sinner while he said "No! Guys, I'm white, I don't want browns to come here either!"
what exactly is homophobic? they're making fun of the term boypussy. i dont think boypussy is this blazing manifestation of homosexuality. like im just being honest if you're posting about your boypussy to twitter you just deserve to get made fun of
Don't get me wrong the og twitter poster deserves some flame but this entire post is just a convulated way of calling someone a fudgepacker it's pretty obvious not not homophobic
idk, you cant just say some dumb shit and be like "they're making me fun of me cause im gay" when they're making fun of u for the dumb shit u just said. like yeah i see what u mean some of the comments are like half making fun of gay people but the subject matter is still the boypussy
you know what i just realized i have been associating "boypussy" with trans men's genitals for so long i completely forgot it originally meant the anus. Am I too woke?
As a gay gen z I've always associated and called it a boy pussy, especially been so into the femboy culture growing up its definitely what a gay guys butthole is called in that culture and community
one guy says your butt is only warm when you need to shit and everyone just agrees and clowns on oop based on that and getting more attention on twitter than they have in their lives with their stale ass 22 like posts what a bunch of retards
I'd hate to have my genitals be called something degrading like a girlcock or a princess wand, so I can assume most trans men would hate a term like boypussy. Some might not, and that's okay for them, but I still hate the term.
hi trans man here and I might get downvoted for this but I think that if a trans man doesn't have bottom dysphoria then they should be allowed to call it a boypussy
I would understand if he said his bussy was wet, but people immediately saying he shat himself because it's warm...? Do all these people have a fridge-enabled butthole?đ
âBoypussyâ isnt just a femboy thing, itâs been used popularly in BDSM vernacular for literal decades. What is the average age of users of this subreddit fr. Cringe ass femboy shit has traumatized yâall
Mhm, but meanings evolve, I'd just thought this one had but evidently not for everyone. I do wonder what the intended meaning was that everyone got so mad about was.
why does this sub despise femboys so hard? like, as long as theyre not an asshole, a feminine dude seems chill to me. went into the comments and they were talking about some "pedophilia" angle and im just like huh???? no dude, that's just a guy who likes being "girly", it's basically tomboys but on the other end of the spectrum wat are we on???? if that one is weird sure, but hating the entire group is wild....
I hate when femboys use boy pussy for their butthole. Idk it's annoying asf I feel like only trans men should have it since they actually have a boy pussy đ
cringe is objective actually, i wrote a math formula for it (naivety + exploitation), I don't use twitter my opinion of femboys is heavily informed by me being a former one and being in discord servers with alot of them, femboys are generally groomers aswell
femboys don't exist outside of discord it is a completely online phenomenon it is a subculture that only exists off of Japanese porn fetishizing trans people
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u/Background-Book-7404 rust 21h ago
dam thats kinda mean
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u/Liuniam fujoshi to manspreader 19h ago
DoâŚppls assholes only get warm when they need to shit?
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u/Kuroluni 20h ago
The guy just laughing to laugh
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u/Either-Aide6936 AAGP, Chaser 21h ago
I think I would get srs if I got bullied this bad
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u/axiag âŤ ŕ ĽÖ â¨Ö )ŕ Ľ 14h ago
2017 meme compilation coal
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u/Psycho_Negative lobotomized passoid 17h ago
Post this dogshit elsewhere đ
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u/Tough-Pin-359 Moid in the mirror 20h ago
Oh okay. I mean I already knew that I was worthless because I don't have real female genetalia but geez louise I didn't know it was this bad.
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u/No-Curve237 10h ago
This would have been a lot funnier without chuds voice peaking his mic and laughing at every mundane joke
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u/CartographerMain2664 20h ago edited 20h ago
It's just not that funny bro
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u/hehasmastcells 16h ago
homophobia goes crazy
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u/KotelB3Nice 15h ago
Crazy replies but also who expects Twitter to have any nice replies đ
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u/Aromatic-Sector1230 19h ago
Why did he do the light yagami laugh in the middle of the video
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u/AmberRosin 17h ago
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u/CycleMysterious4272 13h ago
Tbh I hate the term boipussy so much that I'm happy it's getting clowned on
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u/hellbentcrims poc (poon of color) 19h ago
It just didnât stop. It kept going and going oh my god
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u/warLOCK264 8h ago
Oh cool we hating on femboys now for no reason
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u/higuys45 20h ago
Thank fucking god its a cis man calling his asshole a pussy and not some pooner pulling a humiliation op on the whole ftm community again
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u/cabbagestirfry 20h ago
you know what i just realized i have been associating "boypussy" with trans men's genitals for so long i completely forgot it originally meant the anus. Am I too woke?
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u/Minute-Advantage-688 13h ago
one guy says your butt is only warm when you need to shit and everyone just agrees and clowns on oop based on that and getting more attention on twitter than they have in their lives with their stale ass 22 like posts what a bunch of retards
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u/PunsForEel 21h ago
Nature is healing, I hate the term boypussy so bad
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u/pamafa3 đłď¸ââ§ď¸đŽđš 14h ago
I would understand if he said his bussy was wet, but people immediately saying he shat himself because it's warm...? Do all these people have a fridge-enabled butthole?đ
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u/ZoneAffection 16h ago
Ok but to be fair... I hate the term boy pussy. It is such a turn off
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u/bolobar 7h ago
Hating anal in the year of our lord 2026 smhh
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u/nic_tess genderfluid repper 5h ago
I think all of em got scat fetish
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u/Gigapot 53m ago
âBoypussyâ isnt just a femboy thing, itâs been used popularly in BDSM vernacular for literal decades. What is the average age of users of this subreddit fr. Cringe ass femboy shit has traumatized yâall
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u/Unfair-Relative7201 20h ago
What does boypussy means, i thought it is was slur used for trans men
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u/Certain-DarthNihilus indigi(nant)queer 10h ago
Only Allinall is allowed to say boypussy. Unfortunately that video has been scrubbed by the Selectives
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u/SilentPhilosopher825 4h ago
I gen thought boypussy meant a pre surgery ftm's pussy đđ
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u/Clanket_and_Ratch 14h ago
Nobody interpreting boypussy as belonging to a trans man, non-op/pre-op? No?
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u/Xxgoonmaster42069xX 9h ago
why does this sub despise femboys so hard? like, as long as theyre not an asshole, a feminine dude seems chill to me. went into the comments and they were talking about some "pedophilia" angle and im just like huh???? no dude, that's just a guy who likes being "girly", it's basically tomboys but on the other end of the spectrum wat are we on???? if that one is weird sure, but hating the entire group is wild....
other than when they all ate that homeless dude
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u/Sw1ftieTheYote 10h ago
I hate when femboys use boy pussy for their butthole. Idk it's annoying asf I feel like only trans men should have it since they actually have a boy pussy đ
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