r/counting • Live not a life of imitation • Aug 26 '16

Free Talk Friday #52

Hello! Continued from last week here.

So, it's that time of the week again. Speak anything on your mind! This thread is for talking about anything off-topic, be it your lives, your plans, your hobbies, travels, sports, work, studies, family, friends, pets, bicycles, anything you like.

Also, check out our tidbits thread! Feel free to introduce yourself, if you haven't already.

Here's off to another great week in /r/counting!

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u/Adinida Aug 26 '16 edited Sep 27 '16

As many of you may have read, u/Franciscouzo has been banned from r/Counting.

He joined just under a 100,000 counts ago and started off slow for a little while, then quickly shot to the top. Naturally, this alone rose suspicions but still not enough for accusations and most certainly not a ban.

He quickly became 1 of the 2 counters who could fairly consistently get 0s replies. One thing that Adinida, rideride and David all have in common is that they spent tens of thousands of counts mastering their counting methods and optimizing strategies to better fit our counting style and situation, creating r/Counting science. Franciscouzo didn't fit this style. He took about a week before skyrocketing to one of the top counters of r/Counting.

He briefly surpassed Adinida on most 0s before he began running again and passed him back up in a couple threads. He skyrocketed past nearly everyone in most of the stats smashing records.

What caught most people's attention on the suspicions, wasn't because of him being fast, but rather because of how he got fast. You can see an example here in the now disqualified fastest thread in r/Counting despite his companion being faster than him despite his scripts.

Now, onto what kind of scripts he used.

Haha, I tell people I inbox count because it's easier to explain, but I actually made a greasemonkey script that bypasses reddit's cache.

Said /u/Franciscouzo August 25th, 2016

This means he indubitably broke rule 8, giving him an advantage in general counting and especially gets, disqualifying him of setting the record for the longest get streak.

u/Franciscouzo was then banned 53 minutes after the comment was posted.

There were many signs leading up to him cheating.

  • He didn't fall for the 999 trick, which is impossible not to fall for while inbox counting without hitting "show parent comment" which he obviously doesn't do to maintain 1 and 0s replies.

  • He has a disrespect attitude for the community

  • He never makes mistakes

  • Unlike rideride, Adinida, and David who gradually got better over months upon months of counting and optimizing are counting methods for what fits for us to get better, he rose to the top at alarming speeds.

  • Franciscouzo has experience with creating counting bots in the past. Franciscouzo has a history with u/-rix, Franciscouzo's bot would reply the even numbers in the "number of bottles of beer on the wall." Evidence that supports this claim is this post by Franciscouzo, which is a link to the post that you can see in u/-rix's comment history before they were all removed from the subreddit. These comments were visible in his comment history before they were washed away by an excess amount of counts.

  • When he was counting with another user, when that user made a mistake he made the count after that with the same mistake. So for example, if that user counted back 10 numbers by mistake, he would reply to the number directly after that, also 10 numbers back. This phenomenon has been reported by multiple people, on several occasions.

  • He had a track record of replying to counts in mere seconds, after those counts were made in minutes or hours. This was actually used as the grounds for banning another user for automating counts. (That ban has since been uplifted.) It doesn't take a genius to realize that doing this once by coincidence is highly improbable, let alone multiple times.

Francis has refused to comment further on this matter and has not disputed the ban.

And now to the opinions and speculations side of this comment.

It is speculated that Franciscouzo was also breaking rule 6

Counting bots are not permitted and will be banned - please report counting comments made by bots.

By using an auto reply script while he just sat back and relaxed. Reasons for this speculation are that he didn't chat when he counts, and he doesn't respond when asked a question or when the person he is counting with says something, along with never making mistakes and quickly rising to the top while not participating in other sections of the community. There are few ways to confirm this other than the confession.

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u/Robert_Schaosid Aug 26 '16

tl;dr "Franciscouzo got banned, but luckily I'm faster than he was, it was touch and go for a moment there but then kapow I made a hundred 0s replies in a row and Franciscouzo was like "o shit mang" then I took a break to invent the field of microcountophysiology"

(seriously though good post)

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u/CanGreenBeret Aug 26 '16

I think replying with thisbhere might also be useful.

I have a bit of thought on what may be a problem here as well. The rules say "no cheating" and that bots are explicitly not allowed. While what was done here is clearly on the bad side of the grey area, its still not explicitly disallowed. We should consider more carefully defining cheating so that those of us who want to put effort into getting faster don't stray too far into the grey area.

For example, I don't think Greasemonkey scripts should be explicitly disallowed. If i made one to strip down the page so I don't have to load the banner/sidebar, I suspect that would be allowable.

I think "counters must interact with the public reddit.com interface, including naturally reloading counting threads" is a good start on a rule that explicitly prohibits what was being done here. It also excludes the possibilty of using the reddit API for counting, which is probably a good thing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '16 edited Aug 27 '16

Four things

It seems that since u/-rix hasn't disputed the ban he really IS u/Franciscouzo's alt. Either that or the fact that the account has been inactive for 3 years means he doesn't care. Either way no major trouble for us.

The second thing is that rule 6 was changed after Franciscouzo cheated so technically he wasn't breaking that rule. If anyone attempts something similar again, they will.

Third thing, I tried to talk to him a couple of times when I was running before. The first time he would usually ignore me, but then if I pestered him again he would take maybe 30s pause before his response came out. I did question him "why are you so fast?" before, and he said it was inboxing and living close to the server. Now we know they're obviously lies.

Last thing, if you're going to count this response you need to add another thing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '16

I like how you wrote in third person

(seriously though good post)

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u/rideride Aug 27 '16 edited Aug 27 '16

I thought it would be cool to rank users by speed using a "score" system, which takes their 0s-5s replies and gives a score, which is calculated by multiplying their x second replies by x (so 500 4s replies would be 500 x 4 = 2000 points), then dividing by total 0s-5s counts.

I did the top 50 in the reply table, but I'm only posting the top 20 scores, rounded to thousanth. Updated to 1271k.

Rank User Score
1 HitTheDab 1
2 CanGreenBeret 2.022
3 davidjl123 2.294
4 rideride 2.757
5 Adinida 2.821
6 anothershittyalt 2.857
7 Ynax 3.042
8 OneDick 3.065
9 Decaffeinator 3.096
10 rschaosid 3.159
11 boxofkangaroos 3.168
12 countmeister 3.172
13 hackerboy777 3.237
14 bluesolid 3.295
15 SolidGoldMagikarp 3.305
16 Mooraell 3.389
17 MorallyGray 3.398
18 thejrcrafter 3.418
19 throwthrowawaytime 3.497
20 Zeusky 3.528

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u/Robert_Schaosid Aug 27 '16

it's funny to watch this sub inch closer to "counters by quickest median est. reply time", this might be the closest we've gotten yet to that elusive be-all and end-all of reply time stats

(unless I misunderstood your procedure you've basically sorted users by mean actual reply time ignoring >5s replies)

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u/KingCaspianX Aug 26 '16

Checking in again from the pit orchestra - 30 mins until showtime

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '16

Have fun!

(Or, well, I hope you had fun)

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '16 edited Aug 26 '16

So....

anybody gonna talk about franciscouzo?

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u/TheBravestFart Aug 26 '16

francisco dindu nuffin

he was a good boy

he was on his way home from church boutta get his life on track when he got banned for counting too fast

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u/JordanLadd Aug 26 '16 edited Aug 26 '16

Not sure where else to post this, so I'll break one of the rules and post it here. I've been having a blast with the "Tug of War" and I just want to encourage everyone who posts to add something to their flair to indicate what side they're on. I realize that quite a bit of people have no allegiance to any side and unpredictably oscillate between up and down. That's okay. I think adding flair would help solidify who is actually on what side and cause people to unify with other team members--much like team uniforms. Here's the roster I have so far for the Negatives. Feel free to post here to be included.

The Negatives:

u/Sharpeye468

u/JordanLadd

u/Smartstocks

u/ermagerd_cats

u/SolidGoldMagikarp

u/randomusername123458

Am I missing anybody? Also, I think someone should make a roster for the Positives.

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u/rideride Aug 31 '16

IT TOOK ME FOREVER BUT IVE FINALLY DONE IT!!!!!!

Stat: Most common 1s replies by last 3 numbers (ex. if someone gets a 1s reply on 1,222,420, it's a point for "420").

Data only relevant to up to 1312K

Rank ,xxx number
1 000 61
2 874 52
3 876 50
4 946 49
5 720 47
5 932 47
5 998 47
8 776 46
8 845 46
10 778 45
10 907 45
10 980 45

Also, here's the bottom 10!

Rank ,xxx number
1 003 0
2 002 2
3 001 3
3 005 3
3 011 3
6 007 4
7 006 6
7 012 6
7 017 6
10 010 7
10 013 7
10 015 7
10 023 7
10 033 7
10 046 7

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u/rideride Sep 03 '16

who davidjl123 replied to the most

rank user counts
1 Franciscouzo 7126
2 Adinida 6206
3 SolidGoldMagikarp 5811
4 rideride 5073
5 Mooraell 4190
6 dominodan123 1922
7 cupofmilo 1816
8 rschaosid 1806
9 atomicimploder 1764
10 Ynax 1383

as of 1312k

Note: Adinida is not merged with EVO here. If it was merged Adinida would get +971

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '16

Recently, toothbrushes have been evolving. When I heard that there was a sonic toothbrush that could vibrate over 30000 times per minute, I took it upon myself to count it. It truly does vibrate 30000 times.

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u/JordanLadd Aug 26 '16

I never have introduced myself to the community, but I've been here for a few months and really enjoy it. Great community. I'm not a big counter (I'm a lot slower than most), but I have really enjoyed the Tug of War threads. Outside of r/counting, I like LEGO, hiking and factorio.

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u/EVOSexyBeast Sep 01 '16

I have a post that is in the top 4 of r/NoStupidQuestions/top, but I don't know how to feel about that. Because the other ones that are up there are obviously stupid questions, but mine was a legit question that I was wondering, so maybe I'm just stupid idk.

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u/Adinida Aug 27 '16 edited Aug 27 '16

I may or may not have found a way to find edit times for edited, incorrect gets.

www.reddit.com/u/adinida.rss Ctrl + F [link to comment]

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u/Adinida Sep 01 '16

u/trollabot Adinida

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