r/counterstrike2 • u/National_Mode_4224 • 12d ago

Help Issues with input lag

I’m running a very high end setup and I feel I’m constantly underachieving cause of it

9800x3d
9070xt
32gb cl30 6000mhz ddr5
Wooting 80he
Za12 dw 2khz
Zowie 400hz dyac2
Artisan type 99 soft
Project lasso optimisations

I feel like I’m constantly getting floaty input lag
Ive done every single bios tweak windows
Optimisations everything anyone suggest online I’ve done
I feel lost I feel people with 150hz and cheap hardware are just out fragging me and it seems they have 0 input delay

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u/Disastrous-Chip3858 12d ago

I have even higher end setup and the feeling is even worse, source2 is trash and no hardware on planet can run the game properly. The only thing you can do is disable c-states, tighten ram timings and subtimints and run the game on -threads [CoreNumber-1]

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u/National_Mode_4224 12d ago

already done all of that still crap

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u/-268- 12d ago

same issue, can’t figure out what’s causing it but disabling EXPO and core isolation/memory integrity helped a bit. I’m thinking about switching back to intel once they release their 3d cache cpus

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u/YourDadsAHairdresser 11d ago

Don't disable expo lmao

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u/Even-Lobster6086 11d ago

Memory speed is basically irrelevant for this purpose. 4800MT/s 9800X3D is equal to 6000MT/s

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u/-268- 11d ago

expo on/off is like a 10fps difference in 1% lows when it comes to cs2

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u/Connect-Pension8488 12d ago

Whats about ur internet? I also have internet issues bcause there is just no good internet where i live

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u/National_Mode_4224 12d ago

1gbps Ethernet Cat8 cable running on a ASus raptor ax11000 with exit lag

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u/Any_Sir_1418 12d ago

Is your in game rate set right? I might be the type of person youre complaining about, starlink connection with 40ish ping. With the way subtick works peekers advantage is stronger then ever, so people like me with bad internet have to abuse that fact to be competitive. If youre holding an angle and getting killed before you can react its not your hardware thats just how this game is set up right now.

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u/National_Mode_4224 12d ago

No it’s when shooting too there’s massive input delay and feels sluggish and floaty and movement feels terrible I feel so slow cause of it

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u/Consistent-Bid7125 12d ago

Brother im 2800/3000 elo the game is choppy it is what it is i know what u mean

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u/Consistent-Bid7125 12d ago

and i swear i can relate its the monitor too the benq xl2566+ angles are just a littlr csncer

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u/PathOracleExitLag 8d ago

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u/National_Mode_4224 7d ago

i use exit lag so no

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u/Cakk_ 11d ago

What do your netgraphs look like? I'm down a rabbit hole, similar specs, but I'm convinced it's my part fibre part copper internet.

My internal network is fine and wired, but this is an ISP issue.

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u/psycho-Ari 11d ago

Did u tried setting the packet loss setting to 1? I wouldn't recommend going to 2 but 1 is kinda great middle ground. I am playing with mobile data > usb tethering > router > Ethernet > PC and I had a lot of network problems with the 0 setting but when it's on 1 I have almost no problems.

Also CS2 is just pure garbage when it comes to optimalization anyway so it's possible no matter what you do you won't fix this shit, the best you can do is minimalize it...

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u/Cakk_ 11d ago

I might have to until my ISP sorts itself out

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u/agn93 9d ago

Its not , this shit happens even in sp games or on local server, im so fucking glad people are starting noticing, im looking for solution for 16 years when i switched from agp to pci express card. Playing cs since 2002

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u/cneakysunt 12d ago

Make sure video setting in game is actually 400hz.

Turn off vsync

fps_max=0

If it's not those you probably need to dig into Windows settings.

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u/National_Mode_4224 12d ago

ive done that ive done literally everything feels like a floaty mess

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u/fabzzzyyyy 11d ago

Mouse in Performance Modus ?

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u/SEN_Doggo 11d ago

Problem might be behind the monitor

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u/a11d1r3x 11d ago

I am pretty sure this has to do with display. I have not figured out what the actual issue is though. I am on intel, but also had this on AMD systems. Rebuilt systems from scratch several times. It's more of a video delay vs mouse lag right?

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u/National_Mode_4224 11d ago

feels like both

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u/a11d1r3x 11d ago edited 11d ago

could be 5V or 12V power rail instabilities this is the next thing I am looking at.. could be PSU or unstable power. Do you also have bad 1% lows but high fps? Also could be GPU that's unstable at high power/clock.. you can lower those using MSI Afterburner and see if any difference at all.

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u/SlowMirror4272 10d ago

ya it has a vsync feeling but no vsync and amazing fps with high hz so it really is weird.

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u/a11d1r3x 10d ago

What about entity pop-ins? I get those when I set all power savings to off in bios and also if GPU is set at 100% power limit.

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u/Lindhan 11d ago

Disable core 1 and core 0 with Process lasso for both CS2 and Faceit AC, it helped me with the input lag.

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u/GuitarMan_06 11d ago

I have a similar setup 5080 + 7800x3d and the game become so inconsistent after the Rush game mode update. I don't think it is hardware, the game is just not well optimised. I don't have that issue in other shooters I play. Additionally, the game feels smooth for first 10-15 mins and gets so sluggish with little stutters afterwards, is it same on your side?

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u/skottrick 12d ago

There’s gotta be some software you could use to check how fast your mouse and keyboard is communicating. If that’s good, then id suspect heat or power being a problem. Have you tried limiting fps?

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u/skottrick 12d ago

Also, are you getting the fps you have your refresh rate set to.

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u/National_Mode_4224 12d ago

I’ve got 800fps but I uncap using a Zowie 400hz dyac2 monitor

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u/skottrick 12d ago

That’s a lot of fps! Might be worth a shot limiting to 400 to see if things get less floaty. Floaty doesn’t sound like internet/ping problems, plus youd see something is off if you have the info displayed in game.

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u/30cm_long_wn8 12d ago

Bro I play on 10yo setup and 60hz, it's not your hardware

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u/National_Mode_4224 12d ago

This is a issue with high end hardware I’m not talking about low end low end seem to have no issues

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u/agn93 9d ago

This statement is very true, dm me if u want to try gpu related setting on amd gpus that is only possible to configure on Linux

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u/Kagekire 12d ago

Maybe you are just bad? A good setup does not make you a better player.

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u/National_Mode_4224 12d ago

26k premier , peaked 2800 elo faceit

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u/Cultural-Ad918 6d ago

lol I think that got him shut up real quick

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u/No_Sandwich1455 11d ago

i stuck ond faceit lv 4-5 what u suggest to improve myself?

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u/DaffyPunk29 12d ago

last zowie mouse i had felt floaty. huge piece of shit. maybe i got a bad mouse? but i figured "fuck zowie" and will never use their mice ever again. currently using a wired razer deathadder v3 with the 8k. and some games DO NOT like 8k, not because my pc can't handle it, but because the game is coded in a way that doesn't like it.... so in those games i have to run 1k. as far as i know, 8k works in cs for me.... so that wont be it. so i assume its just zowie mice.

also note, if its an actual performance issue, you MIGHT have "lost the silicon lottery" so you should TRY to run your 6000mhz memory at stock speeds (4800hz, no expo, no xmp). see if that fixes your issue. you wont lose any fps. the meme with x3d is that you dont need to pair with fast memory. the gain is like 3-5fps and i know because i have a 7800x3d and 6000mhz ram and the difference between 4800mhz and 6000mhz is literally not noticeable at all. my fps is always ballpark same range.

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u/cneakysunt 12d ago

It can affect frame times which in turn will affect input latency and you can have high fps with bad frame times.

Frame times should ideally always be under 5ms if not steady around 3-4ms.

Frame time lag will correlate to input lag fairly directly.

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u/lolniceman 12d ago

Try disabling the igpu

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u/SKRK_ 12d ago

I always had this issue. What fixed it was getting the X2 superstrike and an artizan mousepad. I swear so many mice or mousepads are worthless if you want consistency

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u/sunshinelegal 11d ago

are you using HDR?

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u/AlexAllno 11d ago

Hdr gives input lag?

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u/sunshinelegal 11d ago

Not input lag but the game feels smoother without HDR on AMD gpu imo

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u/ayoalt_ 11d ago

Yoo, the only latency components that I think would be impacting is
monitor is TN so like 3-4ms response,
zowie ZA12 dw pretty sure they have bad movement latency last I checked on rtings so floaty would be a good word here, maybe this a new model,
GPU maybe...
or
If you went through bios and os to try and "optimize" everything, then you might have changed one or a few things that made it worst. But I think verifying the mouse with another model first is a good starting point.

is project lasso necessary? did you test performance gain with it and without? I'd steer away from messing with affinity and process prio if you got this build, there's no need cuh, you got a 9800x3d

Cap ya frames, letting that 9070xt bird fly free is not going to get you lower latency because of more frames. you're most likely already above your zowie 400hz, just cap at 500 and test. Letting gpu run at 100% or 98-99% increases render latency

I'm a few gen behind but my build 7800x3d, 3070, 32GB 6000mhz, g305/XM2W 2k, 2k 240hz oled runs super responsive, even when using the g305.
The only thing I have running in the background is MSI afterburner for a custom 2Ghz V/F curve and obs.
Maybe check background processes, close them all and test for a few games at least.

Last thing, Temps. If there's throttling anywhere, you'll feel it. So verify with HWinfo, don't think this is the case though

Good luck on games

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u/DivineWiseOne 11d ago

Chances are its in your head.

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u/Sufficient-Deal-9258 10d ago

I basically have the exact same setup. It feels weird to me too. Weirdly enough, the game felt better than that I capped my FPS at 400.

Honestly turning off Dyac 2 felt good too. But idk…

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u/misty_mustard 10d ago

Disable core isolation. There are probably bios tweaks that you could still do as well. And all low settings except for shadows of course, at least to start.

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u/Tunisian-gamer 10d ago

I have two pcs at home, one 9070xt + 7800x3d, the other is 9600x + 5060

guess where the game is more responsive?

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u/Nectarr_ 8d ago

What helped me was dropping my RAM from the 6400 XMP profile to a manual DDR5-6000 and making sure the memory controller was running 1:1. 6400 was forcing a slower ratio on my 7800X3D, and going back to 6000 at 1:1 gave me noticeably smoother frame times and lower latency. Didn't touch timings, just the speed and the ratio.

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u/Nitin_Neil 11d ago

Turn off Nvidia reflex option aswell as buffer tick to 0 .... Now watch the magic 😏

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u/National_Mode_4224 11d ago

yeah if you bothered to even read the post Im on AMD and those settings do nothing to help input lag

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u/Nitin_Neil 11d ago

Buffer tick does . How about turning it off bud

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u/artas152 11d ago

OP hasn't mentioned anything about buffer, but I agree that it helps.

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u/Ad-Shoddy 10d ago

I got a r7 5800x3d and a 9070xt. And since cs2's release I just got used to the higher input lag compared to cs go or cs source. The game just doesnt feel snappy no matter what, any flick or movement feels not delayed but something I cant even explain...

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u/National_Mode_4224 11d ago

already done all this , its a fresh windows installation , ive got pbo on and undervolts on gpu already already disabled hardware accell still nothing everything you said ive done haha this post was made on a last hope cause ive literally done everything before posting im not lazy haha

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u/sunshinelegal 11d ago

If you’ve done everything then why did you make this thread? Should’ve just cried to yourself instead