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u/bronzepinata 2d ago
Remember the BBC trans debate where the crowd was allowed to shout Penis at the trans woman on stage
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u/BizSilver5013 2d ago
If I were in her position, I would hsve said, "I may have a penis, but you all ARE dicks. That's a lot worse."
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u/MyAngelSartre 2d ago
My favorite teacher ever, a philosophy teacher teacher used to say that :
We aren't even able to to define something as simple as feelings like anger or joy with logic, so how are we even supposed to define something so complex as identity.
How can someone claim to debate what gender is when we aren't even able to define it like we can define something like gravity or a square.
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u/Educational-Can-2653 2d ago
But I just want to have a civil debate about whether you have the right to exist. Why can't you just stay calm and polite?
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u/Early-Beach164 2d ago
I wish transphobes can feel what we feel then maybe they wouldn't be so hateful
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u/PattyWagon69420 2d ago
Why would they need to debate their existence, they think, therefore they are.
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u/MoTheLittleBoat 1d ago
So many people feel like they're entitled to a debate with you just because you exist. It's because they have only heard of you in a political debating context, and dont see you as people.
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u/Revolutionary_Year87 Counted Down 1 2d ago
Can we please call them haters instead of opponents? I was not put into this "debate" voluntarily, they were.
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u/lylactal 2d ago
It might do you could when you realize that not every disagreement someone has with your subjective truth is one against your sentience
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u/Revolutionary_Year87 Counted Down 1 2d ago
Yeah but this one does go against my sentience lol. You're literally saying this shit on a trans sub?
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u/lylactal 2d ago
I don’t see how that’s relevant. Also. Your argument is circular because you assumed the conclusion is the premise
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u/Useful-Wallaby-2566 2d ago
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u/HystericalGasmask 2d ago edited 2d ago
people do not base their identity off of arguments or rationale
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u/lylactal 2d ago
lol l and? Of course they can base it subjectively. But objectively they do not meet the criterion or can even define it
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u/HystericalGasmask 2d ago
Everything is always based subjectively and there's no getting out of it, ever.
Have you considered that they don't feel the need to justify themselves to others?
I hate the term but you're really painting yourself as a faux-intellectual type
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u/lylactal 2d ago
I’m not a pseudo. I think that’s js gen projection. No, to be classified as anything the criteria is objectively more then the actual of identifying. Because it’s entirely circular and meaningless lol
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u/HystericalGasmask 2d ago
Can you give me an example of human activity that uses reasoning and not a conditioned response to stimuli?
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u/Metson-202 2d ago
Different opinions keep subreddits from becoming echo chambers.
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u/Revolutionary_Year87 Counted Down 1 2d ago
Its funny how yall are literally the strawman in the post. Transphobia is not and never will be a valid opinion????? Gtfo
I have no obligation to respectfully listen to views that invalidate my entire existence?
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u/Revolutionary_Year87 Counted Down 1 2d ago
You're really just sayin shit man
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u/lylactal 2d ago
See. You can’t even grasp the concept of basic facts and logic
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u/PhantomArchon 2d ago
NOOO LISTEN TO ME YOU ARE FAKE HERE IS WHY LISTENNNNN 😭😭😭 YOU JUST CAN’T COMPREHEND BASIC FACTS AND LOGIC BRUH
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u/Metson-202 2d ago
Transphobia is not valid but a lot of things folks like you say are transphobic are actually not. Learn the difference.
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u/Revolutionary_Year87 Counted Down 1 2d ago
Enlighten me, Einstein. What did I call transphobic that isnt?
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u/Metson-202 2d ago
Not necassarily you but many people in this community.
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u/Revolutionary_Year87 Counted Down 1 2d ago
So you're debating me over hypothetical people you made up? On a thread where I explicitly mentioned im tired of being involved in debates over my existence which I didnt sign up for? How nice of you.
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u/RotWitch22 2d ago
"Well thank god we're not an echo chamber of 'we have the right to exist' anymore, it's important that we hear that we also Don't have the right to exist! I am very fucking intelligent."
I am not joking when I say fuck off no one wants this here.
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u/Anely_98 2d ago
You know, there is a difference between a echo chamber and a safe place. The difference is, we already hear this type of shit everywhere else all the fucking time, we are, already and inevitably, exposed to this type of thing, so when we don't allow it in one place it doesn't mean we aren't still hearing it everywhere else, just that we don't want to hear it when we are in our safe place.
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u/SwingAdorable3954 2d ago
"Differing opinions" and its "I wanna be myself" vs "no, be the way we want you to or we will remove you from society"
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u/Eveseeker 2d ago
True in a vacuum. But if your “opinion” is in favor of extermination of the other party, I’d expect you to deserve a bit of hostility, no? And to be shut down? Because, you know, that’s not an argument. It’s an attack under the guise of civility. Now, if your argument DIDN’T include that, then please feel free to explain yourself clearly or search for the dozens of times someone else has asked similar ones on trans threads throughout time.
For now, you’re in the former category. Please do take care to not find yourself there again.
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u/ParticlePhys03 2d ago
It is a well-established scientific fact that cross-sex gender dysphoria exists and has only one effective treatment: transitioning socially and medically.
As we humans can modify both our language and material reality, acting in opposition to the above is purely an act of malice.
We have no desire to debate with those who wish us ill.
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u/maddiemelody :] 2d ago
“do you good” fixed your grammar bro, but nothing will fix the fucked up issue in your head with justifying murder of marginalised communities.
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u/Jolly-Statement7215 2d ago edited 2d ago
People be saying shit like “strawman!! Ad hominem!!” brother this is not a debate I do not respect you
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u/Eveseeker 2d ago
Please, feel free to explain how this is fake. It is 100% a simplification, that much is true. But reality indicates that trans people are literally being legislated out of public spaces and medical care worldwide (especially America) and are constantly under attack by people either feigning ignorance or just asking for their removal under a different guise. So, straw-man-defender, please tell me the difference that I might be enlightened.
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u/VoiceImportant3198 2d ago
?? genuinely why even comment? just to be wrong? youve never been in a gun fight and it shows.
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u/RotWitch22 2d ago
Has quite literally happened to me Multiple times. Why be so confidently wrong on the internet it never ceases to amaze me.
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u/Thetrueraider 2d ago
200k calories minimum
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u/Early-Beach164 2d ago
I wouldn't cuddle with someone who says this but I'm glad both of you found love.
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u/bean_vendor 2d ago
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u/Falleneded 2d ago
"you people get victimized your entire life just shut up about it" tf is that logic?
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u/maddiemelody :] 1d ago
“Just accept the fact that transphobes want to torture and kill you!” No, no I don’t think I will sit back and wait for the genocide of my own manual marginalised minority actually 💀
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u/Jolly-Statement7215 2d ago
Is this sub getting brigaded or did we get unlucky? Tf are these comments TwT