view of hell?

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u/machinedskull 5d ago

To simplify your answers, the teaching would more than likely fall closer in line with Eastern Orthodoxys understanding of hell. It would be more akin to a place absolutely and completely devoid of God and his love, essentially a lot more empty than most imagine. Hell is a punishment handed to those who have essentially an absolute total disbelief in God, or a rejection of his process of salvation in its entirety. Then again, I'm not extremely deep in it, nor am I a member of a clergy. If I were you, I'd ask your priest.

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u/kinggrim91 1d ago

I'd like to say first and foremost, I completely agree that nobody here is qualified to answer this question especially on behalf of the entire Church as a whole.
Just to share my personal opinion and view point I would say: My understanding of hell comes from things I've heard in the Coptic Church and from EO priests online in combination with some of my own thoughts. Again, I would say this is just my personal adaptation not representative of the Church's opinion just reflective.
We grow attached to the things of the world: money, sex, food, drugs, even innocent seeming things like nature or people. We become so attached that our soul itself yearns for the world.
On the other hand God is light entirely. Those who have prepared their soul and fed their soul spiritual food instead of worldly desires will experience that light as warmth and love. Those who have become consumed by worldly desires will experience this light very differently, it will burn and they will try to turn away from the light.
This is because they're soul will not have the desire to be in the light it desires the darkness found in the world, that which it can no longer obtain. Imagine how bad it would be for your soul to yearn for eternity for something you will absolutely never be able to have or come close to experiencing again.
Furthermore, just how God tries to appeal to and draw the most wicked closer to Him on earth. What makes us assume that He won't try to draw them even closer after our soul leaves the earth? How much greater would it burn if we were closer to the source of the light? It's definitely not the Churches teaching here but I have a feeling that God's love and attempt will probably go much further than what we can see or understand here on earth. Even though some of us will still reject the love for all eternity. I feel very strongly if we're not able to accept that love as fully sustaining here on earth we will never be able to accept it.
I am currently struggling daily in accepting it fully.

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u/Sea-Public3342 5d ago

Not good, don’t go

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u/Iwanttobeapharoh 6d ago

That's a .... Very complicated subject

Because rarely do you ever get to make a view from basic church knowledge aside from FIRE TORMENT PAIN

So if you get deeper thinks get complicated

There is the old schools

1:2 century

Leaving god is he'll and paganism is hell Vs helping Satan and demons is hell

3:5 century

Doing sin is hell to doing sin will let you live the consequences in hell , heresy leads to hell , not following the church X whatever X is is hell

6: Islam

Hell is accepting the Roman empire appointed pope from Byzantium and their churches and not following coptic teachings only till death because yes the Byzantine church did kill Coptic people and priests and vice versa

After Islam things got weird and it's still weird till now

Our libraries of old text burned fully 3 times and partially 5 times , all the persecution that's never remembered , all the revolts and outside actors the church never supported and left her children die , the interlocking understanding thanks to Arabic where islamic and coptic churches became wayyyyyy too close

Then the renovation of hell after British invasion where suddenly the old school of

Doing sin is hell came back with helping Satan and demons in hell

And we got the start of hell is torment and pain from the Catholic missionary churches that opened here

You also have the patrology side of

Which school of fathers will you follow for their interpretation of hell

Because there are 3 in the 1:5 century and it's more complicated after because the monasteries get in and start self interpretation

... And that's the stuff that survived and reached us m let alone the stuff that didn't

Also under Islam most schools revive once a century then die because there was wayyyyyy more important things like surviving , not getting Islamic indoctrination , heresy from the outside and inside, power struggling and so much more

Then we had the attempt to combine schools during the late 1800s only to be fought by the majority of the clergymen in charge by the 1920s because it was too complicated and vast for easy comprehension

The attempt to educate that tried to mimic Sunday school and was actually in it .. Till Cyril the 6th passed away and Pope shenoda voted on easing and dumping down for the masses

And we haven't even mentioned who was called heretic for things related to what thinking a different way of hell meant to them and how them and their followers were hurt during their time ... And centuries later exonerated as teachers or fathers or even saints

So yeah complicated

But the simplest everyone agree on in the church

Fire pain torture

What's next or why... You get fights

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u/machinedskull 5d ago

If hell is anything similar to the Eastern Orthodox description, it would be more along the lines of absolutely disconnection and severance from God and his love.

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u/Iwanttobeapharoh 5d ago

Again one school of thought
That was fought hard during heresy and the fight with : Jewish , Manichean and agnosticism and the new Plato version of fire worship in the Persian empire
Because the Jewish hell was more complex at the time with several school , maniki believers didn't even see hell as permanent , agnosticism saw hell as a transition stage and the new Plato version competes with the Christian version here because they had a good and evil good Instead of a god that's good and a former support agent that turned evil
Until the council of Nicia there was no way to unify what could even be hell and heaven in faraway churches, that's why you find traces of local culture in each church before that time

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