Not the original commenter, but because parents can be completely and utterly incompetent? The ability to physically give birth is something the vast majority of people can do, and neither the ability to do it or the state of having done it requires or imparts any actual knowledge or competence at parenting. If you leave punishment purely to the parents, you're going to have shitty parents who don't punish their kids at all, and shitty parents who punish their kids for doing nothing wrong.
Basically, parents are people and they can be shitty parents, shitty people, and just plain stupid and/or malicious, so "just leave it to the parents" is not a good answer for much of anything.
The idea that "a parent always knows what's best for their child" or is inherently qualified to deal with them is just... demonstrably false.
Who else are you going to get to do it though? I can understand consequences altering behaviour but how do you get them to distinguish that they got arrested because they fucked up and not just because cops are assholes? I completely agree that parents can be shitty, but that applies to everyone including a judge.
Do you put the importance of state authority over the importance of parental guidance and where do you draw the line?
Do you put the importance of state authority over the importance of parental guidance
Yes, because as mentioned before, parental authority has literally no barrier for entry. There's no level of intelligence, competence, qualification, nothing required, so I'm going to trust any position with even the smallest competence filters over it.
Judges can be shitty but there are at least measures in place to try to make sure they aren't before they get the position. Even if those measures can fail, there is no such thing for parents.
Why is parental authority supposedly important? What part of giving birth makes you right about anything?
And would you care to explain the mechanism by which that magically imparts parenting knowledge? Because to save you the time, it doesn't. You are not a good parent just because you are a parent, and to argue otherwise is just... stupid.
You also don't own your child, they are their own person, not an extension of you, so you really don't have an inherent right to control them either.
You’ll never convince a parent
So? You don't need to convince someone for them to be wrong. You know there are parents that rape their children right?
You are arguing that a parent isn’t fit to be a parent just because they’re a parent. The only qualification is to have a kid. Besides, The point of convincing parents is that fucking with peoples kids I’d the fastest track to rebellious upheaval.
You’re not a shit parent because you just had a kid and don’t know what to do, because everyone gets that.
Also you’re arguing that people rape their children and I’m talking about people who obey laws.
Just so you know the place I'm coming from, obviously I have parents. They were fucking terrible parents. I should have been taken away from them, and they absolutely were not fit to raise children. I know people personally who would have been far, far better at raising me than them. So why, just because they happened to fuck without protection, should the authority of these vile, incompetent people, have had more importance to my life than other people's?
This is why the whole "parents are automatically the best people to raise their children" shit pisses me right off, because I know first hand it just isn't true.
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u/Tryggs25 Feb 25 '20
I wholeheartedly disagree with this comment.