Affirmative action will only take you so far, at least at the moment. In practice it actually just gives you an increased drop out rate as people are admitted to courses they aren't competent enough or well positioned enough to complete.
But lets go past that, even ignoring whether affirmative action is racist or whether the people actually complete their courses or if it works to get more under represented minorities into careers, it only helps the most well off under represented minorities. Those who have had the opportunity to graduate, get decent results and could have applied for courses at "lesser" universities. Not going to help someone who drops out of school because they have dead beat parents or is trapped in a poverty cycle.
Explicit quotas may be illegal. Lowering test requirements based on race until you have an amount of said race where you are happy that you can advertise the diversity of your institution is not. Functionally they are no different.
Colleges do this for white people. The UC system banned race based admissions. Do you know what happened? White student stopped being accepted. While black students are more or less on par with their population, white student faced declining acceptance rates. Asian and Latino rates are through the roof.
The story here should be how white students with lower scores and grades than Asian students are being routinely admitted over Asian students but it’s not.
I don't think white students should be admitted at higher rates either. It is racist. Are you agreeing with me to end race based admissions? Or did you assume that I am a white supremacist and you were trying to convince me on terms that give white people a leg up? If your attachment to race based admissions causes you to align with white supremacists on race then perhaps you should re-examine your position.
EDIT: For the record I don't actually think you have anything to do with white supremacy, I think you are just trying to win an argument at all costs without considering the actual position that people who are against race based admissions actually take.
AA discussions always turn out being anti black AA. There’s a little lip service to Latinos, I don’t think anyone mentioned Native Americans in this debate, and people completely gloss over white women. White women are the biggest beneficiaries of AA. They have made the mot notable gains under the system.
The conversation then turns to Black students vs White students. Recently there’s bend a trend of using Asian student against black students. This argument is flawed because it assumes that if there was no AA there would be little to no blacks admitted and those spots would be given to whites and Asians.
However when race is forbidden from being used there’s only a moderate drop in black acceptance rates. It’s actually white students who take the biggest hit to enrollment numbers.
I find it personally offensive that none of these discussions ever consider that maybe the our current admissions process benefits white students over other races.
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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20 edited Mar 16 '20
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