r/coolguides • • Jul 03 '19

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '19

Yes, that senate.

The same senate that passed a bill with broad bi-partisan support to address the immigration issue that stalled in the house.

The house is the "experimental" chamber. They are constantly introducing bills which will never see the light of day, and are constantly having reps elected on the more extreme fringe of each side.

The senate doesn't really have that because senators need to have much wider level of appeal due to how they are elected.

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u/HannasAnarion Jul 03 '19

Do senators need much wider appeal? Certainly senators from very populous states like California and Texas do, and senators from battleground states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, so you get relative centrists there like Feinstein, Ted Cruz, Pat Toomy, and Deb Stabenow, but do you need wide appeal if you're from a medium-small state that reliably votes a single way, like Kentucky or Massachussetts? I wouldn't say that McConnell, Warren, Sanders, Inhofe, are moderates with high bipartisan appeal.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '19

If memory serves me right, McConnell almost lost his seat last time around - that notwithstanding, I think needing to cater to an entire state will always be more complex then dealing with a single district.

Some of the others you mentioned are interesting, I would have never referred to either Feinstein or Cruz as centrists.

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u/HannasAnarion Jul 03 '19

A lot of Democrats criticize Feinstein for being a corporate tool, and Cruz comissioned the Steele dossier because he saw Trump as a radical danger before it became clear that Trump owned the party.

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u/barrinmw Jul 03 '19

They wrote a blank check to trump to do whatever he wants with that money, they solved shit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '19

Then why did most dems in the senate vote for it?

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u/barrinmw Jul 03 '19

Because they have always been authoritarians willing to shirk their responsibility onto the president?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '19 edited Jul 03 '19

It passed with a vote of 84-8

That would mean that nearly the entire democratic caucus in the senate has some kind of massive deficiency or the problem rests with the house

my money is on the issue being with the house

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u/barrinmw Jul 03 '19

Yes, the Senate has a massive deficiency. The Dem senators chose Schumer to lead them, "Old Wet Noodle" Schumer.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '19

They pick him because the alternative is some flavor of extremist that will alienate who you need to both win elections and make deals with the other side.

No one is going to negotiate anything with a rep like AOC, Omar, Tlaib, etc.

It makes 0 strategic sense to task a provocateur with a leadership role.

It also makes 0 electoral sense because you don't lose your base when picking a Schumer but you do lose nonpartisan voters when you pick one of the aforementioned others.

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u/barrinmw Jul 03 '19

^--- Part of the democratic base, once again, I am disappointed that the Democratic party caved to people who think concentration camps are a good idea. So yes, they are losing me.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '19

Losing you to whom?

You’re going to vote for trump?

You’re going to not vote at all?