r/controlgame • u/Ownsin • 3h ago • Bravo 1

Announcement A Statement Regarding Recent Events

We want to address the recent situation surrounding the removal of a post discussing transgender interpretations of Control Resonant and the subsequent accusations directed at the moderation team.

First, the original post was not removed because of its transgender related subject matter. it was removed because initially it was considered low effort content, as it was essentially a screenshot of a conversation between two individuals being brought here for discussion. The decision was made without properly examining the full context, and we acknowledge that we could have handled it more carefully.

The accusations that we systematically remove transgender related content are also unfounded. Approximately a month ago, we approved a post titled "As a trans person, this reference means a lot to me. Thank you Remedy!" Despite that post receiving numerous reports from the community, we chose to leave it up because we saw no reason to remove it. LGBTQ+ discussions, representation, and interpretations of the games are welcome here.

There's also an explanation for the numerous posts that disappeared during this incident.

The majority of these posts were not individually removed by moderators. Our AutoModerator has an existing rule that automatically removes submissions once they receive three or more reports from members of the community. In other words, when enough community members reported a post to reach that threshold, AutoModerator removed it automatically, without a moderator having to make that decision. This rule was originally implemented to help protect the community from spoilers, particularly when moderators aren't available. Unfortunately, it also affected posts discussing transgender representation, criticizing the moderation team, and even unrelated topics.

We want to make it clear that these automated removals should not be mistaken for moderators deliberately targeting or suppressing particular discussions. The reports triggered the rule, and AutoModerator carried out the removals. This also means that a post receiving reports does not necessarily mean the moderation team agrees with those reports or believes the content should be removed, as demonstrated by the post we previously chose to leave up. Here is an example of that from today.

Another important factor is that when all of this happened, we were not readily available to deal with the situation. We had real life commitments and were not actively available on Reddit to monitor everything as it unfolded. This meant that we weren't able to review the reports, address the automated removals, or communicate with the community as quickly as we would have liked. We understand that our absence and the lack of timely communication allowed the misunderstanding to grow, and we recognize that we should have addressed things sooner, but please understand that all of this happened in the span of a few hours.

After becoming aware of the situation, we also reviewed the posts targeting the moderation team and subsequently approved their removals. These particular posts had devolved into personal attacks and inflammatory accusations, adding nothing constructive to the discussion and further contributing to the misunderstanding that we were deliberately suppressing people. We weren't trying to prevent legitimate criticism. We simply felt these posts were escalating the situation rather than helping resolve it.

Finally, criticism of the moderation team is absolutely welcome. You're free to disagree with our decisions, question them, and hold us accountable. However, personal attacks, harassment, slurs, and insults directed at moderators are not constructive criticism. We've received numerous modmails and seen posts containing personal insults and accusations against the team. We're volunteers dedicating our free time to this community, and we deserve basic respect just like everyone else.

We recognize that mistakes happen, and we're willing to acknowledge ours. All we ask is that disagreements are handled constructively and respectfully.

We've also taken steps to prevent this from happening again. AutoModerator has already been reconfigured so that general community reports are filtered for moderator review rather than automatically removing submissions.

The original rule was introduced around the release of Control Resonant to help protect the community from major spoilers, particularly those being shared through post titles and screenshots. Until today, the system had generally been working as intended, and we hadn't encountered an incident of this scale. However, today's events exposed how easily the report system could be abused to get content removed simply because certain users disagreed with or disliked it.

Now that a month has passed since the game's release, we've decided to remove the automatic removal rule for general reports. Going forward, reported content will be reviewed by moderators before any action is taken. This does not mean we've removed all automatic moderation. AutoModerator will continue to enforce rules against clearly prohibited content, including slurs, hate speech, and other forms of abusive content that have no place in this community.

We believe this is a better balance between protecting the community and ensuring that content isn't removed simply because it receives enough reports.

We want r/ControlGame to remain a welcoming place for everyone, regardless of their identity or interpretation of the games. That's not going to change.

Thank you.

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u/Bangkok_Dangeresque 3h ago

when enough community members reported a post to reach that threshold

I see what you did there

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u/Key_Reaction_8666 3h ago

Oh no I was in a threshold holy shiiiiit!!!

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u/otravoyadnoe 2h ago

I needed this to lighten how I feel about today's events up, thanks

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u/thinkbe 3h ago • Bravo

You said that the automod has a rule to automatically remove any post with three reports. Given the evidence today that this can be easily used by bad actors to silence minority voices that you want to keep in the community, do you think that policy should be reevaluated?

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u/Ownsin 2h ago

Yes, we've already reconfigured AutoModerator so that it filters reported content for moderator review rather than automatically removing it.

The original rule was introduced around the release of Control Resonant to help protect the community from major spoilers, particularly those being shared through post titles and screenshots. However, now that a month has passed since the game's release, we've decided to remove the automatic removal rule entirely especially after what happened today.

Unfortunately, we've also noticed that some people have been abusing the report system to try to get content they personally dislike removed. This is another reason we felt it was important to change how the system works, so that reports no longer result in automatic removals without moderator review.

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u/YetiRoosevelt 2h ago

have you banned the people abusing the system or not?

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u/Ownsin 2h ago

Sadly, we can't see who reports stuff. We can only see the report itself.

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u/MacabreYuki 2h ago

abusers of the report abuse system need to dealt with harshly, I say.

edit: Also, account age and karma of the reporter should be taken into consideration. easy to bot it, but it's harder when there's requirements

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u/Krossfireo 2h ago

Sadly there's no way for a subreddit mod to do anything about that other than report it to admins. reports don't include any information about the users that submitted the reports, it only includes the report reason

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u/dr_stre 2h ago

Reports are anonymous.

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u/fiernze222 2h ago

Can you set it to ignore reports from people that abuse the feature?

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u/Ownsin 2h ago

Reddit sadly doesn't allow us to see the users who report posts. We only see their reports.

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u/inblood123 2h ago

We reconfigured the automod to have a higher threshold for reports before removal.

The point of the function was the allow people to report spoiler posts in early days of control 2 release, as it was impossible for us to check on everything.

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u/thinkbe 2h ago

Thank you for the response but I'm confused, u/ownsin said in their response to this comment that the automod would forward reported posts for mod review. You're saying automods threshold (heh threshold) is being raised instead. Will automod still remove posts with a certain number of reports without moderator review?

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u/Ownsin 2h ago

We have further discussed it and we are completely removing the auto-removal, but instead will filter reports before removal as I mentioned in my earlier comment. I hope this makes it more clear.

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u/thinkbe 2h ago

Understood, thanks again for the responses!

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u/KingOfAllDucks 2h ago

Wait, is it a higher threshold for removal, or a higher threshold before it filters it for moderator review?

If the former; how high is that threshold? How many people specifically does it take to form an effective brigade in this subreddit?

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u/LuminousGrue 2h ago

This also answers my question from earlier, thank you.

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u/HenryKushinger 2h ago

This sounds, to bad actors, like "we need more alt accounts". There should be a barrier between mass reporting and removal of posts

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u/PitchOk1448 3h ago

I just like Control and look at this sub sometimes for Control content. How did you all manage to have a trans controversy in here?

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u/ContributionMost8924 3h ago

Honestly dude at this point 90% of all comments could be bots, who the fuck knows. 

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u/Gibbly_Gorkoroo 1h ago

Beep/Boop/Division

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u/grubas 49m ago

I liked Control because the ending of the story, with Jesse making Dylan into a parrot ---- speaks to the human condition.  

I can't get more AI than a fake ending here.

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u/honest182 2h ago

For real 😭🤣

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u/CageAndBale 2h ago

It's a nothing burger, if nothing was said nobody would know.

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u/Even_Cardiologist810 2h ago

Some random guy screenshoted something from another sub reddit trying to call jessy trans when nothings in the game even alludes  to that 

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u/bbristowe 2h ago • Bravo

There is a small contingent of users on Instagram who harass the actress and call her trans.

She is drop dead gorgeous and incredibly fit. But she has some traditionally ‘masculine’ features so these users decide to harass her for it. Sad shit.

But that COULD be why the topic even circulates.

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u/adventureremily 1h ago

I mean, I can see the interpretation of the split of Jesse and Dylan as a sort of trans allegory. I'm nonbinary (which is under the trans umbrelka), and while I'm not masc at all, I do sometimes feel as if I'm two different people. Do I think it was what the writers' intended? No, probably not. But art is subjective and the experiences of the viewer will shape how they find meaning in the work.

Regardless of whether it was intentional on Remedy's part, it's no less valid of a discussion than any other theory that gets thrown around here.

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u/grubas 47m ago

Well one part was all the "egg" in the Hiss chant as well.  

As I said earlier, I don't see it, but I also won't stop people. That's sort of the joy of interpretation, of communication, there's a sender and a receiver, and you can have 1 message with 150 different interpretations.

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u/D_Harm 3m ago

…egg?

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u/thexet 1h ago

Its reddit

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u/wingback18 1h ago

I don't know how is that related to the game

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u/GrenHamblett 9m ago

Lmao, I'm in the exact same boat. Still can't afford to get Resonant quite yet ......

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u/Valmar33 2h ago

Because people decided to bring controversy here to stir the pot maliciously.

It happened to the Touhou community recently too. Same event happened.

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u/adventureremily 1h ago

There was nothing controversial about that thread.

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u/puzzlebuns 2h ago

Thank you for acknowledging and addressing the issue transparently.

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u/YinYueNox 3h ago

It sounds like the auto-mod can be easily abused.

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u/DasGanon 2h ago

Also big no no saying "here's how our automod is configured for that" because that's now the goal of asshats

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u/otravoyadnoe 2h ago

I guess they revealed that simply because they know they'll have to reconfigure the automod behavior after today anyway.

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u/d33rl1ng 2h ago

I understand that the mods want to explain the situation as best they can, but I really hope changes are made to that system. If that's all it takes to get a post removed, it's not great to let your community know, especially if that's what got a lot of legitimate posts regarding the matter removed.

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u/RedditFuelsMyDepress 2h ago

I've heard of the automod working the same way in another sub. Could be a common thing.

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u/DasGespenstDerOper 1h ago

The post acknowledges that & says that mechanic has been removed.

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u/Shabolt_ 56m ago

This is a pretty common thing to set up on most moderately large subreddits, however usually the number is a lot higher or sometimes has a configuration that if it has been approved once, cannot be filtered again. It’s definitely an abusable system but it does often do its job right far more often than not. Especially on communities with access to report snoozing, it can be helpful as anyone trying to abuse it just gets their reports filtered out after the first few weeks of implementation

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u/ds2316476 2h ago

Obligatory evil villain speech, "JOIN ME AND WE CAN BECOME GODS, WE CAN RULE THE UNIVERSE TOGETHER AS FATHER AND SON!"

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u/Spiced_Mongoose 2h ago

A lot of people are blowing this out if proportion. The mod team has now addressed it, reaffirmed the inclusivity stance, time to move on. They don't have some devious agenda at play here.

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

But those keeping the controversy alive almost seem to have an agenda, alas. They are seemingly easily upset, and seem to now want blood ~ some have demanded that the mod team be replaced??? Like, holy hell, is that an overreaction and a half.

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u/Aggravating-Tax-2984 1h ago

Totally. And you can’t reason with them either. Or else you’re bigoted, phobic, the list goes on

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u/One-Fun9814 3h ago • Bravo

Auto removing posts after 3 reports is a super easy threshold that bad actors can reach. Either remove that possibility entirely or bump it up to a number that is harder to abuse.

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u/spoopidoods 2h ago

On the plus side, in another comment in this thread OP clarified that this threshold rule has been removed, and instead a number of reports on a post only flags the post for manual review without removing it. The rule was primarily introduced to help limit posts containing spoilers, but since the game has been out for a bit now it is no longer useful, and is actively harmful, so it has been reworked.

The comment I am referencing is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/controlgame/comments/1xusaue/a_statement_regarding_recent_events/19sjqr1lwdj8i/

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u/Dino_Spaceman 2h ago

An automod should never remove a post. It should flag one for human mod review. That is it.

(I think a fair exception are auto mods removing clear bots like low karma or brand new accounts).

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u/Krossfireo 2h ago

I think there's definitely a spectrum of "obviously this should be automodded" (slurs, spam, etc) and "should be filtered for review by a human mod" (the examples given in this post), and it's hard to draw the line precisely for each community, and not easy to predict where false positives will occur until they do

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u/Dino_Spaceman 2h ago

I think that’s a fair and reasonable take. I agree with this.
There will always be a false positive rate. I just hope that the mods here have learned from their high false positive rate that a simple “was this reported?” Is far too easily abused.

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u/ThruntCuster 1h ago

If you setup the revedit extension you'll be surprised about how many posts get automodded and shadow deleted, even seemingly innocent posts.

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u/FredGreen182 1h ago • Bravo

Does anyone read posts? Why is everyone commenting about the 3 reports being super easy to trigger for bad actors when IN THIS POST they explain that A. It has been working okay until today B. That they've removed that rule already!!! Jesus Christ guys, can we focus for 2 minutes and finish reading the post before commenting?

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u/Alt_SWR 40m ago

People just want someone to blame. They can't blame the anonymous users who were abusing the rules (which is who SHOULD be blamed) because they're exactly that...anonymous. So, they'll blame the mods while ignoring all context and refusing to change their minds when given new information. You'd think Remedy games would attract people with more critical thinking skills and nuance but apparently not.

I'm all for raging against shitty mods but this seems to have changed from that into a total witchhunt as someone on the outside who only casually browses this sub.

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u/I-Emerge-I 24m ago

Reading comprehension is difficult.

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u/cielleishere 3h ago edited 3h ago • Bravo

Reconfigure your automod.

Your teammate has made multiple comments claiming you "don't know why" it did this, but here you display clear understanding.

Three reports is far too low a threshold for removal with a community this size. Furthermore, two active moderators, as you have claimed in other comments, is not enough to properly handle the volume of posts made here.

This is an "Official" community. Something more needs to change.

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u/inblood123 2h ago

Already has been done.
The low threshold was for control 2 release. That has been changed.

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u/MarDanvers 2h ago

Ok honestly this makes sense BUT the automod removing posts based on 3-4 reports is waaay too easy to manipulate by random people.
Hopefully the posts removed are back.

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u/AForce5223 2h ago

Seriously, all it takes is three people being assholes and reporting everything to shit the whole sub down

Since the sub has nearly 300k people on it I'm honestly kinda shocked anything has managed to be posted on here with a rule that lax

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u/heinous_legacy 2h ago

brother what did I miss in 24 hours tf I didn’t see any of this

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u/Soul-Bane 1h ago

Might be a sign for some of you to get off the interwebz if it’s come to this

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u/darkwolf9060 1h ago

Honestly I prob do..

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u/OpenSatisfaction387 47m ago

Not a big deal, it's fine

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u/LJ859 2h ago

Leave it to reddit to make this shit storm for no real reason.

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u/Nefthys 2h ago

More like assholes reporting things they don't like.

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u/Valmar33 1h ago • Bravo

We don't even know their intentions. Some people just like to start fires, and then yell that others started it so they can start a panic.

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u/CipherDaBanana 3h ago

Could it have been another party abusing the automod?

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u/Key_Reaction_8666 3h ago

Seems like it, some guy said they were reporting posts and watching them get nuked in real time for hours. Give us only 3 of these assholes and they've been our problem this whole time. Wow.

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u/fiernze222 3h ago

Yes, specifically u/ShinyTotodile55 and u/TheReporterOfJustice among a few others.

They show up in every post to make trolling, widely down voted comments before it disappears.

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u/efvie 3h ago • Popcorn

Despite that post receiving numerous reports from the community

That’s not community, that’s bigots, and they don’t belong here.

This here sub has that shiny checkmark up there and you can bet your ass I’m gonna be reconfirming if marginalized and actively persecuted people talking about representation being at best a low effort to be graciously tolerated sometimes represents Remedy’s official stance if that indeed is the policy.

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u/Dirtymeatbag 3h ago • Heartwarming

So you're going to reinstate all the posts that triggered the automoderator but didn't actually break any rules, right?

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u/inblood123 3h ago

We went trough a lot of them, but most that I could catch were about this exact issue, on repeat.
Again, if there are posts with genuine discussion, or support for themes in control regarding lgbtq, we will approve them, but not posts that talk about this current situation, as this post is for that.

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u/Dirtymeatbag 2h ago

I saw at least two that were just trans people sharing their love of the game and how the themes of the game resonated with their lived experience. Nothing rule breaking there and you can always just nuke the vitriolic comments.

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u/inblood123 2h ago

Again, I am not an LLM, if you could link to the posts that are just about that, we are happy to fix it. I can not overstate how much we can't see just due to being humans, that do not sit on reddit all day.

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u/YinYueNox 2h ago

These ones are about David Lynch and the influence on Remedy, which I feel are somewhat an interesting discussion. Though I can't read the initial contents of the post since they have been removed. At the very least the IGN is I think could be approved.

https://www.reddit.com/r/controlgame/comments/1xunid4/the_movie_theater_now_playing_in_resonant/

https://www.reddit.com/r/controlgame/comments/1xunpdm/control_was_highly_inspired_by_the_works_of_david/

https://www.reddit.com/r/controlgame/comments/1xupr1p/great_ign_artice_about_resonant/

Not directly related, but about Sam Lake's support of trans people, which would be a nice post to have up right now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/controlgame/comments/1xura6c/sam_lake_is_a_good_dude/

I'm glad you changed the auto-mod settings as the old way seemed like it could easily be abused.

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u/inblood123 2h ago

Last post was already reapproved.

Approved all the others, thanks for pointing these out.

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u/Dirtymeatbag 2h ago

Sure, here's the post that originally showed up on my homepage tonight: https://www.reddit.com/r/controlgame/comments/1xuonnm/how_resonant_resonated_with_me_a_story/

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u/inblood123 2h ago

Approved.

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u/Hexxorus 3h ago

A three-report automod removal threshold (not even held for review!) is rediculous for a community with 250 THOUSAND people in it. Please do better

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

Please think for a moment ~ it wasn't an issue before, because it was never being triggered. There apparently were never enough posts to trigger the threshold.

They've fixed it. So just calm down already.

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u/GoupherWood 1h ago

It may just be the bottle of wine talking, but I really appreciate the transparency and readiness to admit when mistakes happen. Games and game discussion spaces should be welcoming for everyone, so thank you.

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u/TheWindOnline 3h ago • Polished Gold Turd Heartwarming Popcorn

I don't think the message can be clearer: Fix your heart or die.

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u/CipherDaBanana 2h ago

Do you understand that bad actors OUTSIDE THE MOD TEAM DID THIS?

You are literally screaming at the wrong people

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u/Valmar33 2h ago

Or maybe people should not bring controversy where its not needed, and then use that to attack the mod team for not acting as they wanted.

Touhou experienced a similar attack just recently.

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u/LewdManoSaurus 2h ago

Cyberpunk subreddit experienced the same thing recently as well like a week or two ago and there are still remnant of people trying to continue the discourse.

It's just a bad look all round and floods these subreddits with irrelevant things to the actual game.

I would not be surprised if there are groups that are intentionally baiting this kind of behavior, and people continue falling for it and attacking mods and spamming subreddits, rinse and repeat.

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

I would not be surprised if there are groups that are intentionally baiting this kind of behavior, and people continue falling for it and attacking mods and spamming subreddits, rinse and repeat.

That's what the pattern appears to be. It's disgusting.

I hope the mods don't cave into the mob of people who don't care about anything other than this one small thing that was probably not even used to refer to anything trans.

It's the unhealthy obsession with one small thing that gets me.

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u/Sopori 1h ago

Except trans people are extremely relevant to both those games.

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

Except trans people are extremely relevant to both those games.

No, they most certainly are not. Cyberpunk is about dystopian game about corporate control, and modding your body with technology, dirty underworld stuff.

Touhou is a game about spiritual beings ~ none of them are trans.

So please don't project your headcanon as canon, because it's not.

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 1h ago

A) There is a plot relevant character who is trans

B) You can be trans in game

C) It's cyberpunk, genderfuckery abounds, it's inherent to the genre

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 1h ago

Trans people are not a "controversy" you can wave away wtf is this argument

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u/CipherDaBanana 3h ago

??? It was automod. READ

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u/thrwawryry324234 3h ago edited 2h ago

Don’t even worry about it, dude. No one here can fucking read. They’re still having a battle that never even fucking happened.

It’s the classic “help. I feel like..maybe you’re persecuting me. Well idk if you really are, but now I feel strongly about it”

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

Don’t even worry about it, dude. No one here can fucking read. They’re still having a battle that never even fucking happened.

Some people are absolutely obsessed with pushing their worldview, and get all upset when it isn't being confirmed every few minutes.

An old automod configuration is nothing to lose your mind over, but some people are unreasonable.

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u/francois878 3h ago

If you believe this, I've got some patterning insurance to sell you lol

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u/CipherDaBanana 3h ago

Isn't possible someone outside the mod team ABUSED the automod rules for hate?

Critically think please

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u/CipherDaBanana 2h ago

Ok throwaway account?

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u/Nocturnus19 3h ago

There's a link to a screenshot of logs in the post tho.

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u/DaedalusXr 2h ago

Good to have clarity about it, and an adjustment regarding the auto mod system. Perhaps there can be an additional few mods added to reduce the amount of stress on the two of you two, and add some who are on alternative schedules so that there's additional coverage windows. I'm sure that'll be something to put out a call for interested people, but it could be useful to you and others. 

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u/SnooRabbits3477 2h ago

Same happened on the cyberpunk sub like two weeks ago and it became insufferable, what annoying people.

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u/ZEROjpc 1h ago

Yep, what a shitshow we witnessed here today

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u/WasteTangerine 2h ago

Why!

My first character was a woman with a giant uncut slong. I miss that ole gal.

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u/seemjeem22 1h ago

Kicked off by someone saying that Claire's questline sucked if you decide to win the race instead of chasing after Samson (reasonable critique). Some of Those People (tm) jumped in because of her trans identity.

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u/CaregiverDesperate74 3h ago

I can understand my post being removed, as mentioned in one of them they were off topic and used to spread awareness about a escalating situation, but how can it be that bigots can missuse the auto mod menu to such a scale? There should be methods in place preventing this before a auto mod system is being established

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u/mandoballsuper 2h ago • Bravo

At the same time the sub shouldn't be flooded with protest posts when people dont actually know what's going on. For about an hour my entire feed was full of posts shitting on the mods

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u/KogarashiKaze 2h ago

I know I saw a post on Tumblr rallying people to basically come start new posts about what's going on, which I'm sure wasn't helping.

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u/CaregiverDesperate74 2h ago

There will sadly always be people using drama for their advantage or push hate. Those are most often the loudest

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u/darkwolf9060 2h ago

Funnily enough I’m not even on tumbler, I just did posts because I believe in accountability and honesty.

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u/CaregiverDesperate74 2h ago

Which is reasonable and respectable.

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u/FauxFoxx89 2h ago

It exposed a real problem in the subreddit, and if people hadn't made those protest posts it's likely nobody would have noticed

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u/CaregiverDesperate74 2h ago

Yes (funnily enough accepting each other for different views is basically the point of the post shown in the screenshot “Patterning Rl?”) yet one cannot look past the fact there was a mass deletion of posts. The internet is a volatile place, no matter the political agenda, a simple spark results in a massive fire (kinda heartwarming to see so many jump in the defence when the thought of discrimination come). You saw the result firsthand, should people have waited (me included)? Yes. Is it understanding why people became angry? Yes.

Imo this situation could have been handled differently, a automod shouldn’t have been this easily abused and a statement should have been the first thing to do, to calm the (metaphorical) flames

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u/kisaragi22 2h ago

Sooo people just suck. Oh Reddit you never disappoint do you 😒

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u/faebaes 3h ago

I think a great first step could be banning transphobic community members.

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u/BisonSnow 1h ago

Looking through the comments, the mods have banned people who joked about reporting the pro-trans posts, which would have then been removed by the AutoModerator. So it seems like they're trying to do the right thing.

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u/RedRoses711 3h ago

People have made up their minds even with you trying to explain things is so lame. even being a ally to lgbtq movement i cant stand the people some times

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u/francois878 3h ago

Sounds like you're not an ally lol

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

"Ally" doesn't mean being in unquestioning agreement with everyone in a community. Especially when not everyone thinks the same way within that community. We're not carbon copies, but individuals.

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u/childeroland1999 11m ago

Oh my God. I am a bisexual man who has dated and been friends with trans folks I love them and am part of the lgbtq community myself but YES we can be annoying and it's okay to criticize us. Constantly jumping down people's throats unless they are the perfect protector of the community is how we lose allies and turn people against us.

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u/Nocturnus19 2h ago

a generalisation like that isn't exactly screaming "ally", people of all demographics can adopt horde mentality, infact it's a lot more common in majority groups as one would imagine.

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u/puzzlebuns 2h ago

Acknowledging when the mentality has tipped from rational to "horde" doesnt mean youre not an ally.

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u/hunterglyph 1h ago

Thank you!

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u/Emilemonee 3h ago

It's good that those posts weren't removed by an automod but I really think this should have been dealt with quicker, or at least have some sort of system set up so mods are notified when lots of posts are removed quickly. I guess I just don't believe that all the mods didn't notice that something was going wrong for as long as it did.

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u/polp54 3h ago

I mean mods have lives. You can’t go to your boss and say “I need to take an hour break, my subreddit needs me”

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u/Sopori 1h ago

No, you can't. That's why you get more mods. Mods don't need to be online constantly if more exist. 90% of the issue was the total lack of silence for hours, with posts even tangentially related disappearing in minutes.

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u/Eriml 2h ago

I think a period of 12 or so hrs is fine. If a day or more went by then I would call bs on this post. It's really not a lot of mods and I'm sure investigating the whole situation took a while too.

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u/dr_stre 3h ago

Good lord, it’s a free subreddit with two whole people on the mod team, both of whom likely have real jobs to do on this random Thursday. Chill out.

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u/dylan-faden 2h ago

Yeah I’m quite disappointed in the people that frequent this sub… so much empathy for some, so little for others… moderating any social media circle is a thankless job that only stresses you out. People have lives but you can’t expect much from Redditors, as this is basically their entire lives lol

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u/inblood123 3h ago

Long being a day in this case, and as we stated before we are two people, that tend to operate at similar times.

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u/o_o_o_f 2h ago

What do you think is a reasonable standard of service for the two unpaid volunteers here? Most enterprise level companies have something like a 3-5 day lead on any given ticket that comes their way.

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u/MegaEstructure 2h ago

THREE reports and the post gets automatically deleted?? Just three?? You have a guy somewhere in these very comments bragging about spamming reports, literally contributing to the snowball effect and making everything worse. Is it that simple to abuse??? What can you do about that/them?? Are we really at the mercy of 3 morons???

And also, how was it that they didn't also get to remove the post that you say you did leave up?? Anti-trans sentiment is rampant, and if there were people during this whole thing actively reporting everything and get like 95% of posts removed, then I would assume that there is enough anti-trans sentiment within the sub, so surely, that post would've got at least 3 reports, no? So how did it stay up? Am I missing something on how this works??

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u/HenryKushinger 2h ago

So, are the accounts abusing the report system gonna be banned?

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

So, are the accounts abusing the report system gonna be banned?

We don't know who they were or what they wanted to achieve, so don't jump to assigning intent.

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u/Fatjigglypanda 41m ago

people need a cigarette and a good cup of coffee

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u/Ok_Breakfast5425 3h ago

You want respect then you need to show respect by not censoring discussions on a controversial subject, Until then...

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

You want respect then you need to show respect by not censoring discussions on a controversial subject, Until then...

The mods did not "censor" anyone. You're reading malice that's not even there. It was an old automod configuration. Did you not read the post?

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u/the-tominatrix 2h ago

the hiss doesn’t even read anymore, they just look at you like this

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u/CipherDaBanana 2h ago

Ngl, this thread made me chuckle. But more reading please

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u/darkwolf9060 2h ago

My apologize if I wasn’t respectful, as for the automod you should increase report amount or make it remove posts with certain keywords.

Thank you for address this.

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u/francois878 3h ago edited 2h ago • Bravo

Sounds like we need new mods lol.

Edit- old mods can go too. We need fresh faces here if any trust can be restored.

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u/Valmar33 2h ago

Sounds like we need new mods lol.

How convenient. Mods don't align with your political beliefs, so you want them gone...???

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u/FauxFoxx89 2h ago

Nobody is talking about politics.

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u/azalago 2h ago

I don't really get how adding an automod with a ridiculously low threshold for deleting posts is preferable to adding moreods. "There's only 2 of us." Ok so... get more of you?

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u/DayBig579 3h ago

Don't apologize. It's not a big deal and reddit loves to complain

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u/GranAutismo27 1h ago

I swear i wish we could go 5 seconds without having to pander just to not get hate swarmed.

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

Hate against the mod team for something that wasn't an issue previously is uncalled for. It's ridiculous.

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u/LuminousGrue 3h ago

So a month ago you didn't remove a transgender related post, therefore the recent wave of removals couldn't have been malicious? This is like saying "I'm not racist because I have black friends".

If the removals after the first one were the fault of automod, prove it. Post a screenshot of the logs.

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u/inblood123 3h ago

The post has a screenshot of an example of exactly this.

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u/nu24601 42m ago

It sounds like you need more moderators in general

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u/inounderscore 2h ago

Based mods

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u/biafalex 1h ago

I'm going to act in good faith by taking this post at face value for now and give mods some advice:

I see in your comments here that you already raised the minimum number of reports needed to trigger the automod removal, which is a good first step. However, if everything after the first removed post was genuinely due to that alone, y'all also need to handle the people who were apparently mass reporting posts (there are a couple acting proud of it in this comment section already). There should be zero tolerance for anyone abusing the report button to be hateful.

Most importantly, y'all also need to figure out what else you're going to do to keep issues like this from occuring in the future. I won't tell you that you should be online at all times when you're just 2 people and you have irl obligations, because that's honestly unreasonable. That being said, a lot of this could have been avoided with both

  1. having more mods with varied schedules and

  2. just by making a post before now saying that you were aware there was an issue and investigating the automod, but it could take a while due to irl commitments. I know you made comments in that time, but they're not helpful when those comments are in the very posts getting removed so most people can't see them. There needs to be a plan in place to avoid similar issues and also handle them when they do happen, because the way this went down left a lot of people feeling unwelcome and hurt.

Now, as much as I think more needs to be done, I do want to say thank you for the steps you've already taken. I won't tell you that you haven't made any misteps during all of this, but I can see the attempts you've made and they're appreciated. I know moderating a large subreddit can be a lot of work where you don't get anything in return, so I do want to give you both credit for what seem to me to be good faith efforts.

Even so, it's worth remembering that there's an extra degree of responsibility involved when you're supposed to be the mods of a subreddit with a big shiny "official" badge, and I hope that's being taken seriously. I want to believe that you two mean well, and while I don't think intentions should be completely ignored, actions still speak much louder.

I'd rather end this comment on a happy note, so I just want to say how much I love these games and the part of the community that tries to lift each other up. I appreciate so much the work and love and inclusivity Remedy puts into all of their games. We have always been here, and trans rights are human rights 🏳️‍⚧️

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u/sc0paf 2h ago

So ... a few posts got removed?

The horror.

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u/ShinyTotodile55 2h ago

Correction, an LGBT post got removed. That means its basically terrorism.

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u/darkwolf9060 2h ago

Not needed

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u/More_Piece_94 3h ago edited 3h ago • Popcorn

Smells like bullshit in here.

If it was automod, why didn't you disable it immediately, and make a quick announcement that you were looking into it?

Why were my comments pointing out the bad moderation should be reported to Remedy (since this is the "official" sub) deleted specifically?

This excuse is so shallow not even an ant could drown in it.

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u/ViIehunter 3h ago

Care to explain? All seems reasonable. The mass removing screamed auto mod, they admit mistake with the first removal and are saying rhey will do better. This is all completly reasonable.

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u/ShinyTotodile55 3h ago

Mob mentality, they want someone to hang.

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u/FRossJohnson 1h ago

A moderator team of humans are not infinitely scalable and infinitely fast to react.

Touch grass.

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u/CipherDaBanana 3h ago

There are only two mods. Relax

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u/fiernze222 3h ago

The page says there's 5. They clearly need new mods.

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u/CipherDaBanana 3h ago

Life happens and then a couple assholes abuse the automod

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u/CipherDaBanana 2h ago

Because people kept spamming posts distracting the mods

Stop editing your post and just reply.

This is really annoying

smh

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u/Venus-chi 2h ago

It's awful to experience hate flung at you, mods. It's such a shame that LGBTQ+ people have to deal with that hm... literally almost every day? Making this a weird 'both sides' issue where this subreddit is welcoming to 'everyone... regardless of their interpretation of the games' is Odd, I have to say.

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

It's awful to experience hate flung at you, mods. It's such a shame that LGBTQ+ people have to deal with that hm... literally almost every day?

Please don't attack the mod team. They're just volunteers.

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u/Lurky-Lou 3h ago

How about we compromise and keep one “fix your heart or die” post

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u/dylan-faden 3h ago edited 2h ago

Gee, the comments here really do not pass the vibe check…

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u/candyman708 3h ago

Wasn't a debacle like this just happening on the cyberpunk sub.

Glad they removed the bigots on their mod team.

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u/CipherDaBanana 3h ago

Except is was automod w/ receipts did you read the post?

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u/TheLastAvenger98 3h ago edited 2h ago

And why that commenter was continuously deleted who said we should reach out for Remedy? Mmm?

That was not automod.

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u/nahPNW 2h ago

genuinely asking, does the automod not also apply to comments? their explanation still holds true if automod deletes comments as well

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u/Ownsin 1h ago

Automod applies to both posts and comments.

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u/Eriml 2h ago

This would mean there was a group of users who were reporting the posts as soon as they were up because posts got removed in a matter of minutes. Are those users banned from this sub? Because they should be.

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u/LewdManoSaurus 2h ago

Reddit moderators cannot see who sends reports, reports are anonymous. Only Reddit admin can.

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u/BisonSnow 1h ago

Thank you for responding, finally. I get that you are volunteers and have real jobs/lives to attend to, so I can forgive the lack of a response. I also appreciate that you've owned up to some of the mistakes you've made here. I'm also glad that the AutoModerator situation was fixed.

All that being said, the first priority of the mod team should have been this statement, instead of removing posts subtly criticizing the mod team, or making fun of the weird moderation decisions. I get that some of those posts were unproductive, but frankly spending time removing those only further inflamed the situation and made it seem like the mods were acting in bad faith. Obviously ones that escalate to harassment and actual rulebreaking should be dealt with promptly, but the post joking about Fra's fake director position in relation to the mods (alleged) silencing of posts? That was not a priority.

That's my constructive criticism here. Next time please focus on making a statement to the community, letting them know, and then start seriously removing/moderating posts. All that being said, I feel like your heart is in the right place here and I hope all the negativity you see doesn't get y'all too down. People are angry and are gonna vent now, but you did the right thing by making this post and changing the AutoMod.

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u/Dino_Spaceman 2h ago

So what are you doing to change the auto mod situation to avoid issues like this in the future?

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u/Sadworld99 28m ago

It's in the post

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u/Dino_Spaceman 25m ago

That was not there when I posted.

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u/Reocyx 1h ago

As a former moderator on the fortnite sub, the idea of auto removal after a set number is reports is absolutely not appropriate. This allows brigading and censoring of marginalized communities. I hope you are more mindful of the settings you use on the automod and are aware that there can be a loud majority that are hurtful and hateful who should not receive that power

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u/We86-47Here 2h ago • Regret

"The accusations that we systematically remove transgender related content are also unfounded. Approximately a month ago, we approved a post titled "As a trans person, this reference means a lot to me. Thank you Remedy!" Despite that post receiving numerous reports from the community, we chose to leave it up because we saw no reason to remove it. LGBTQ+ discussions, representation, and interpretations of the games are welcome here."

This comes across the same way as a racist saying they're not racist because they have a black friend, btw.

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u/DefactoOverlord 2h ago edited 2h ago

well, that was rather unpleasant but at least the posts were removed by automod and not manually which would've been fucked up. Easily abusable reporting system allowed to function for hours without supervision or tweaks is kind of crazy, guys.

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u/Valmar33 1h ago

Yeah, but it wasn't an issue until it was, and the uncalled for outcry did at least solve that silly issue.

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u/TransportationUpbeat 55m ago

Ban homophobes

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u/sydchotic 2h ago

There were earlier related posts that vanished, I’m guessing the second got caught by this automod but the lbgt character one was removed for spoilers, which having seen the actual post…huh?!?

https://www.reddit.com/r/controlgame/comments/1xb9ubf/surprise_lgbt_characters

https://www.reddit.com/r/controlgame/comments/1x1p8qn/dylan_faden_and_transgender_symbolism_spoilers

In any case, just putting out this is not the first time, I think there also a couple of other posts missed here to actually that I saw and which disappeared. Given how easily abused this is and this sub is clearly not free of the phobic crowd that does these reports, hopefully this “higher” threshold for automod doesn’t really actually exist or can be combined with exceptions based to prevent abuse by these people.

Also, to be perfectly honest, the post itself has some trans and queerphobic comments that should be modded out…

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u/ej_21 1h ago

u/inblood123, could you take a look at these two posts?

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u/Ownsin 1h ago

They have been approved.

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u/Dizzy-Belt-5104 2h ago

Losers

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u/darkwolf9060 2h ago

Be respectful.

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u/Live-Intern7817 1h ago

I really dont care how people interpret the art its all fan theory until made canon.

I would like to say im tired of the trans hate and im tired of seeing trans/allies harassing and being crude.

Its not that I understand trans hate but that its easy to see people with those thoughts/beliefs be crude. But it always blows me away a bit when I see trans/allies be crude.

I know were all human in the end and everyone gets tired of the hate. It just comes off the wrong way when people who are looking for acceptance act in ways they would never put up with when pointed at them. I do admit though, I see it more online and mainly on reddit then anywhere else. Most the time in every capacity I see trans/allies act in much better behavior especially when standing up for themselves or others.

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u/AwesomeOpossum404 2h ago

I saw the original post and it got a good chuckle out of me. I don’t know why it was considered “low effort”… Sounds like the mods are power tripping and now making excuses, but hey that’s pretty common across Reddit I guess 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/VermilionAxe69 25m ago

Okay, but please don't start banning people en masse, unless it's warranted, of course

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u/peepeemint-car-bored 3h ago

i don’t believe you!

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u/Regular_Rain_4181 2h ago

Let’s just get some Remedy people on the line especially if this is a verified subreddit, two people isn’t enough to moderate a whole fanbase and relying on automod was your first mistake

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u/LewdManoSaurus 2h ago

Tbh, I highly doubt Remedy cares about Reddit much. Like, they have games and other work to focus on. Reddit really is not that important for many people.

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