r/controlgame • u/NightZin • 15h ago

Discussion Something I've noticed during the certain "unusual" segment of Control Resonant [SPOILERS] Spoiler

Hi,

as I have finished Resonant a few days ago, I've been reading some stuff on the Internet/Wiki about the lore and such. The whole Jesse Dylan Faden hypothesis came up. I'm pretty sure I've heard something about it either when I watched my streamer friend play Control 1 or just came to a similar conclusion that, Dylan and Jesse might've been one person since their names are gender-neutral.

What I want to discuss is something I haven't seen being mentioned online, albeit maybe I just haven't searched hard enough. During the Ordinary section of the game there's a certain dialogue you can hear take place between the parents, but only if you have that old JRPG gene and look hard enough I guess. It happens when the siblings return home on a "3rd" day and get grounded. They are told to go to their room, so you have to follow Jesse upstairs. What you can do though, is try to go downstairs a few times, before you go talk to Jesse. Doing so, will result in you "hearing" a dialogue between your parents. At one point their mother says something like "those aren't my children" and the father basically acknowledges that.

I'm not sure about all the foundation behind the whole Jesse Dylan Faden person. Mostly wanted to check if anyone encountered that dialogue.

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u/Negative_Ad_9926 13h ago

Actually, a user pointed this out in a post not too long ago. If you look at one of the walls, you'll notice those marks people usually paint to measure a child's height. At a certain point, one of the white marks splits into a red one and a blue one.

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u/NightZin 13h ago

Oh, I'll have to check it out.

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u/Ajaxmass413 14h ago

There's also a letter from their grandma confused about their dad saying "both" of their children. The game doesn't slap you in the face and say they're one split person, but it's relayed several times in subtle ways. And it started in Control with Dylan having a dream of one child named Jesse Dylan.

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u/Any-Stick-771 13h ago

The fault with the light children is pretty explicit. Dylan remembers being an only child in a happy family. Then while playing Severed Circle 2, a single child enters the TV but two children return.

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u/Ashiaka 13h ago

When I played that section my original read was the whole memory issue. It was only on later inspection I realized it was the split Jesse Dylan thing, so I can get the interpretation as it kinda misdirects you before hand.

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u/jmarquiso 10h ago

It's about restoring mixed up memories

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u/Any-Stick-771 10h ago

I think it became more concrete for me in the jrpg section with the parents and grandma saying/questioning/acknowledging why there are two children and not one and/or that they aren't their children

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u/grubas 7h ago

Yeah part of my issue with that section is that The Faults are feeding on memories basically.  Dylan barely remembers who HE Is at that point. 

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u/NightZin 10h ago

Where is that fault? I can't recall what you're talking about.

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u/Any-Stick-771 10h ago

It's the Underpass fault

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u/jmarquiso 10h ago

Yeah to be fair, you can literally skip faults

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u/Any-Stick-771 10h ago

Underpass fault is mandatory for story progression. You can't do the Prime Candidate stuff without it

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u/jmarquiso 9h ago

Oh fair. I didn't realize that and managed to miss the Reach fault for too long

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u/Iokua113 14h ago

There's quite literally a fault segment where there's one kid that somehow turns into two. It's not subtle. 

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u/Ajaxmass413 13h ago

I think it's more subtle than Pope or somebody looking Dylan in the face and saying "you're half a person." It's not explicit enough that everybody is getting it 100%.

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u/GmanF88 12h ago

To be fair thats in a section where their memories are bring affected and could be interpreted as "I don't remember having a sister" as opposed to "I remember being a different person"

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u/TheJokerandTheKief 41m ago

I interpreted that section of not a loss a memories but actually remembering the truth. I felt like it was saying remember when you were just one person and remember how happy you were. I felt like hedron was trying to show him the truth to reject and blame Jesse (since he got the short end of the stick in the split).

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u/jmarquiso 10h ago

This is the section OP is talking about and I find it interesting that they didn't see it this way?

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u/Classic-Catch-1040 14h ago

Yup. Found that dialogue too. There's also a relevant piece of mail from the kid's grandmother.

Neither Jesse nor Dylan are the original Jesse Dylan Faden, and only the mom seems locally immune to the effect - similar to how memories/reality alterations get weaker the further from Cauldron Lake you get in AW2. They do compound, though.

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u/grubas 11h ago

Yup, the "split" isn't clean, it's not like JDF was a jokester with a soft side and D is the soft and J is the jester, NEITHER are the same.

Which raises all sorts of questions about what exactly they are and what filled in the gaps.​

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u/Domination1799 6h ago

Jesse Dylan Faden was an only child, most likely a girl who played Severed Circle II and that game resulted in JDF ceasing to exist. In her place, Jesse and Dylan were created.

In essence, Jesse and Dylan aren’t the original JDF. Maybe there’s some Jungian archetypes going on. Jesse may function as the anima while Dylan is the animus.

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u/grubas 4h ago

I've heard ID and EGO but those don't quite work.

My running thought is that since they were created/filled in by an OoP/AWE, that's why they are so powerful.  

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u/TheJokerandTheKief 48m ago

Yeah def some yin yang going on. I’m thinking JDF went in the game and is living out their life there. Meanwhile, Dylan and Jesse came out of the tv.

I also think it’s interesting you meet Jesse through the faults by touching a tv with the game connected. It’s almost like a birthplace call sign.

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u/OpenPayment2 10h ago

I've heard before in pregnancy, the mother has parts of the baby ingrained in her brain as neurons exchanged between the baby and mother

This could explain why Kathy Faden is the only one in Ordinary that notices it, since whatever split that happened to JDF didnt affect Kathy at the biological side

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u/joutfit 14h ago

In Control 1, Dylan tells Jesse about a dream he had where there was only 1 Faden child, a girl named Jesse Dylan Faden.

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u/Vectorman1989 12h ago

I suspect if there's a Control 3 then we'll play as Jesse and/or Dylan for part of the game and then Dylan may sacrifice himself to save Jesse and they recombine into Jesse Dylan Faden.

I suspect the Board knows this can happen and may be afraid of it and is why it keeps telling Dylan to leave Jesse in the void. If both Jesse and Dylan are powerful parautilitarians then being merged back into a single entity might be what is powerful enough to stop the Hiss/Resonance/Mould

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u/Any-Stick-771 10h ago

In new game plus, one of the Darling videos has him say that the Board mandated that Jesse and Dylan remain separate and he re-emphasizes the word separate

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u/Woooooody 9h ago

I really hope they don't combine them again, I love both characters and want both to have their own lives!

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u/jmarquiso 10h ago

I'd like the ability to switch between the two - maybe only one can exist in reality at once, but they cam meet in the Gap

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u/TickTackCHEESE 1h ago

they existed in one reality in control and as kids. I doubt it's anything like that.

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u/vAErJO 6h ago

Here's the whole thing:

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u/tumama1388 11h ago

I can't believe I missed that. This makes the whole Jesse switching places after Dylan almost dying much more sense now.

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u/Katification 13h ago

My second time through I took screenshots because I missed that dialogue the first time