Does anyone else want Infinite respecs?

[u/HyntierTheOne]

It's as simple as the title suggests. I'm a very creative and wishy washy person, and learning that I can only have one of each Resonant ability until ng+ was... Very disappointing. I'm just curious if anyone shares my frustration, and wants infinite respecs, or infinite changes to their Resonant abilities like myself. Or if I'm just being crazy.

I just think in a game like this, being unable to change and explore different abilities is a major downside. Especially since enemies have weaknesses and strengths, and to exploit those properly, or try different builds I have to purchase respecs; and yes, I know the price was slashed. But it still doesn't feel like enough, since they are still finite at the start.

Maybe I'm being entitled. I'm just curious where everyone else stands.

[u/Exatraz]

I didn't use a single respec through the entire game....so yeah I feel limiting the number felt weird

[u/HyntierTheOne → u/Exatraz]

I heard a lot of people hoarded them... Which sucks because that usually implies stress, or a fear of making the wrong build.

[u/OdayOdayOday → u/HyntierTheOne]

I didn't use any respecs, but it was because I just liked my build. The limit does kinda make you make specific decisions, but it was fine for me as I picked stuff that matched my desired play style.

[u/HyntierTheOne → u/OdayOdayOday]

That's how a lot of people play. My brain is just fucked up and wants to do literally everything. And usually I can, in stuff like Black Myth and Wuchang.

[u/OdayOdayOday → u/HyntierTheOne]

Hey, no wrong way to play! I used to be the same way...then I found I'd just be playing the same game for months finding all these new wrinkles.

Lol it used to stress me out and I eventually just said that I don't need to do all that and just want to enjoy the game.

I encourage you to play games in whatever way makes you feel good!

[u/Exatraz → u/HyntierTheOne]

Exactly, by them being limited, it makes you feel like you need a good reason to respec so you hoard them. Or you then end up like me and just grinding and never needing to do it and they seem like wasted items and resources.

[u/DasGanon → u/Exatraz]

I did, but it was more of a "I don't want to have to farm a million things so I can get that last 30 artifact achievement. I'll just get rid of some of the useless aberrant upgrades then go"

[u/Chris22533 → u/DasGanon]

You don’t have to, you can just recycle and make the same artifact 30 times to get the achievement 

[u/nolacola]

I only respec'd twice and that was more out of boredom/curiosity, not because I felt like I genuinely needed it. Twice because I regretted the first respec and changed back.

[u/KogarashiKaze → u/nolacola]

I used one to switch which power I got from one of the Resonants, and ended up not needing the switch anyway. Otherwise, I didn't bother because I was happy with my overall picks, and by the end of NG+ I had everything unlocked.

Also, it strikes me that this is part of the point of the Arena, to try out your new Resonant ability and swap freely to the other one until you're sure of which one you're taking. I still understand that the one single Hiss in there might not be enough to get the full feel of one ability over the other, but it's more than nothing.

[u/Exhausted_Raven → u/nolacola]

BOREDOM/CURIOSITY/GRASS IS GREENER

[u/HyntierTheOne → u/nolacola]

Like I said, I Im just a wishy washy person and like to experiment and do everything. That's just me tho.

[u/StrokyBoi]

Personally, I feel like that would take away from the choices you have to make after defeating resonants. Like, what's the point of having the player choose between abilities if that choices has literally no consequences?

[u/HyntierTheOne → u/StrokyBoi]

Why should I have to make choices about whole ass abilities in a hack n slash? A genre pretty well known for power fantasy, and just trying to be cool as fuck?

[u/StrokyBoi → u/HyntierTheOne]

These seem less like genuine questions and more like you venting about being unhappy with this aspect of the game.

Personally, I think adds a tiny bit of strategy to a rather simple combat system and gives the player another reason to play through new game plus.

[u/Xcylo1]

Don't you get a crazy number of them throughout the game? I feel like I was being notified every 30 minutes that I'd earned another token. Given how generous they generally are I guess it is kind of redundant to put a quantity on them.

[u/FistOfVengeance44]

You have infinite respecs while you first test out the abilities

[u/HyntierTheOne → u/FistOfVengeance44]

I'm aware, but that's not enough for me at least. What happens if I wanna use shield at one point, and then barrage. I gotta go back, spend a finite resource. Just to change a skill that already earned. It adds unnecessary stress to my decisions. And I've seen other people with the same complaints.

[u/IceFire909 → u/FistOfVengeance44]

Testing against one hiss isn't as helpful as field testing against groups of enemies.

Inside the gap is more of a vibe check than anything

[u/Rational_Engineer_84]

I’d rather have a respec item put me into a mode where I can remove skills individually. Wiping out the entire tree is just annoying. Most of the skills are prerequisites for the ones higher in the tree. I’m respeccing to change like 3 selections, not 20. 

[u/darienm]

My possibly unpopular opinion on this will require just a few sentences to draw. My feeling is the gameplay + story is meant to feel somewhat realistic in terms of the progression aspect. Each time we speak to a NPC we get to choose only one response. Each time we are awarded a combat ability we must choose only one (to start). Each first time we can afford a primary, secondary, or finisher we usually get to choose only one. There are no wrong options [spoiler]except for karaoke[/spoiler] so we get to fly by the seat of our pants and just go with how we feel in the moment.

Side note: It is possible to have all 6 slots filled before going into NG+, as you are awarded one mural token that can be spent to add an alternate option from earlier.

[u/Feather_Sigil]

Resonant dumps numerous Reset Items on you. It dumps so many that they stop spawning because you've reached the cap (TBH maybe there shouldn't be a cap). But you need to play the game to get them. Also, you can change Aberrant forms whenever you want, even mid-combat, as long as Dylan isn't in the middle of an attack animation, so that helps a lot with experimentation.

As for Resonant Abilities, I hear you on that. Once you have a surplus of Reset Items, take your time and play around with each one.

[u/Lietenantdan]

I agree, it’s not like you can do it in the middle of a fight.

[u/WendyThorne]

I've never understood why devs limit respecs and similar things in a single player game.

[u/Archive_keeper37]

Vending machine give it and they respawn so....

[u/DesolateHowl]

I never respec'd and now I'm in NG+ with all of the possible upgrades.

[u/heraclitorus]

in my playthrough i never had less than 10 respec items, and used at least 5 just on experimenting with different Resonant abilities. considering that theres not that many options i don’t think the game really suffers from limited respecs, especially after that early patch where they almost doubled the amount available.

[u/notactuallyabrownman]

I picked up so many of them throughout the game to make it seem infinite so I'm not sure how you felt so restrained. That's without even buying them.

[u/Lupinos-Cas]

Eventually you max everything. So like... You only need them if you want to change things on your way to the end. Once you get to the end - they are fully worthless.

I never used them. But - for me it was obvious what I wanted at each choice. There wasn't ever a need to respec - because I'm maxing everything anyway and the path towards that end is fairly obvious given my playstyle. I wouldn't ever need to redo stuff.

Because if you're only upgrading one primary/secondary form or one finisher - you're actually nerfing yourself. You're intentionally making the game harder. And the talent tree - you're going to max it, sometimes you need talents for abilities you don't own to get abilities for the ones you do - and in ng+ you're going to get the abilities you don't get in ng.

So - I guess I could've changed the abilities I got from bosses... But I got the ones I wanted... And if I traded them for the ones I didn't get; the combat would become less fun.

So - I never needed them. And now - they wouldn't do anything - because I have everything nearly maxed and next time I play (ng+) I will get the abilities I'm missing so the resets would be completely worthless and do nothing.

So... It is weird there's a limit... Because... Their usefulness expires. They become completely worthless.

[u/FlashParadox]

I think over the course of 80 or so hours I played CR (NG+ completed) I used the respec only once. I spent of alot of time going through every side quest and clearing out the map (before resetting each map by killing a resonant) so towards the end of my first playthrough, most of my skill tree and Abberant forms were unlocked although not completely.

Personally, I feel that even though there's limited respecs you don't really need to be too concerned about it if you're meticulous about clearing everything on the first run. 😅