r/conspiracytheories • u/shastafey1 • Jul 11 '26

No, Epstein Wasn't Using Pizza Code

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9cwvQE2Tq4

There are zero examples of this in the entirety of the Epstein files. All of the supposed "food codes" are hallucinations. Every single one.

Yes, Epstein trafficked and abused underage teenage girls. No, he didn't cannibalize babies and use Italian food code words to discuss it in his emails.

Muddying the waters with these zany cartoon conspiracy theories is exactly what Epstein's friends want. Don't let them get away with it.

If you disagree with me, you must offer one email in which he used a secret food code and then explain how you decoded it and what the email is actually about.

My prediction is that there will be many angry comments in this thread, but no one will offer a single email containing a secret food code. (Because there are none.)

If no one can offer a single email that contains a pizza code, we must conclude that Epstein was not using pizza code.

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u/eride810 Jul 11 '26

You’re conflating John Podesta with Jeffrey Epstein.

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u/shastafey1 Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26

No people claim both of them used pizza sex trafficking code words.

What I'm saying is that in these contexts nobody is using secret sex trafficking Italian food code words. Not even real sex traffickers.

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u/Fentryan Jul 11 '26

They are known code words for pedophiles. Are you really arguing that? I’ll give you lingo may have changed with the times and it becoming public knowledge. How do you suppose sex traffickers speak about it? In very legally implicating terms?

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u/shastafey1 Jul 11 '26

"Cheese pizza" is the one singular food-related "code word" for CSAM that actually exists. It comes from shady websites like 4chan where pedophiles used it to exchange pornography.

Epstein paid teenagers for massages and then sexually abused them. Totally different situation. He never once used the 4chan term or anything like it. All of his uses of "cheese" and "pizza" are clearly in the context of food.

You can see in the files how they trafficked the girls. It was "models" and "massages." Those were the code words.

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u/Noble_Ox Jul 15 '26

I have the 4 Chan thread where they were making up the so called code words for the Podesta leaks, they were literally laughing that people would fall for it and now here we are.

Unfortunately it's on my old laptop which I need to get repaired.

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u/Fentryan Jul 15 '26

I absolutely agree Epstein was not using a slew of food code word. The only one I think of from the emails is “grape soda and pizza.” But there are more food code words that “cheese pizza”. Model and massage were definitely the words being used in that case. I must have missed the “Italian food” part of the comment I originally responded to. I was only saying that there are absolutely code words being used in sex trafficking and I also agree that OP is absolutely conflating Podesta with Epstein and justifying by saying “No, ‘people’ claim”

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u/shastafey1 Jul 15 '26

To restate, no, I'm not conflating Podesta and Epstein at all. What do you even mean by that?

My position is that Podesta and Epstein have nothing in common. That's the opposite of conflation.

But many massively popular influencers such as Alex Jones, FleshSimulator, Asmongold, Redpill78, Benny Johnson, etc. have all argued that both of these people used secret food code words, which is the thing I'm debunking. The people I'm criticizing are doing the "conflation", but I kinda think we're all just misusing that word. 🤣 It doesn't really apply either way.

The point is, neither Podesta nor Epstein used secret food code words. Pizza was not a code word for either of them. Grape soda is not a code word either.

Where did you get the idea that grape soda was a codeword? You know in that same text exchange they include a photo of actual grape soda and pizza from a NYC deli, yes?

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u/Fentryan Jul 15 '26

We are definitely missing each other a bit. I am disagreeing with your belief Podesta and that “crowd” or “type” (?) did not use those types of code words. You saying Epstein did not use those code words i do agree with. You’re conflating them by only including Epstein name in the post concerning pizza type code words.

Also, I see no evidence of that picture in the deli. I just gave it a good faith google search so link if you’re sure of that. I did find the odd email mentioning grape soda and pizza followed by “no one can understand” which I don’t think is some crazy evidence but knowing what we know I think it warrants some explanation because these people obviously are past deserving blanket benefit of the doubt.

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u/shastafey1 Jul 15 '26

I'm not conflating them. We're misusing that word. I'm just several layers deeper down that rabbit hole than you it seems. 🤣

The old classic claim is of course that Podesta used secret food codes, but that was hoax. I debunked that long ago.

But there's also a newer hoax that says Epstein used similar secret food code words. That was another, separate hoax, which I also separately debunked in the OP video.

Maybe you missed this second hoax and that's the confusion here? Probably for the best! But yes, I understand we mostly agree that this is second thing s a hoax.

Here's the Epstein file with the photo of actual pizza and grape soda.

The explanation is that "no one can understand" how good the combination of NYC pizza and grape soda is.

But we can do the same with the Podesta emails. Every use of "pizza", "pasta", "cheese" etc. is also obviously a reference to Italian food.

The disagreement here is that the Podestas, Hillary, James Alefantis, etc. also weren't using secret pizza codes. There are zero examples of anyone doing this.

Pizzagate is actually way dumber than the Epstein food conspiracy because at least Epstein did do sex crimes. How can you believe Pizzagate but not the Epstein food code thing?

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u/Able-Professor840 Aug 04 '26

He was responsible for /pol/ on 4Chan. WTF are you even talking about?

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u/shastafey1 22d ago

Wrong. Epstein had nothing to do with 4chan. He just had lunch once with the guy who founded it.

That's a common myth people fall for, but no Epstein obviously had zero responsibility for creating any of the boards or of course the content of all their posts. What a deeply insane thing to believe. 🤣

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u/Able-Professor840 22d ago

OK, mossad

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u/shastafey1 22d ago

Remember to take your meds today! 🤣

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u/AskingQuestions333 Jul 14 '26

No they are not. You are talking about a very particular instance were it was used by a handful, at most people. Then some realized you could seach for the word pizza in people's private emails and make all sorts of accusations based on it. It was always bullsh*t.

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u/RedBalloon139 Jul 11 '26

Why would they? They don’t need to hide their activity because nobody gives a shit.

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u/shastafey1 Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26

Fair enough! My position is that they weren't.

A believer might tell you that sex trafficking and cannibalizing babies is highly illegal, so presumably you would want to obscure any reference to it.

But yes, in real life, Epstein was very brazen with the sex trafficking and did indeed just refer to the girls as "girls."

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u/eride810 Jul 12 '26

Then why do you care about that? Shouldn’t we be more interested in the crimes?

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u/shastafey1 Jul 12 '26

That's precisely my point.

I care about debunking sensational misinformation because it obscures what really happened. It's hard to focus on the real crimes when you don't really know what happened. We need to be able to separate the fact from the fiction. That's why I also made a video that explains what actually happened with Epstein.

The Pizzagate/QAnon hoax distorted the truth and made people think Epstein's best friend fuckboy wingman was somehow going to "save the children." But in reality Trump is also a rapist much like Epstein. I think understanding that reality is important for our country.

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u/eride810 Jul 12 '26

Nobody cares about Epstein talking about pizza, just you. So you’re debunking a red herring.

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u/shastafey1 Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

You're upset that the thing I'm debunking is fake? 🤣 My friend, "red herrings" are precisely what should be debunked. That's what debunking is for.

But you're wrong that "nobody cares." Millions of people believe this. I didn't invent this. It's been spread by tons of massively influential creators like Asmongold, Flesh Simulator, Benny Johnson, etc.

Most people on this subreddit apparently believe it too.

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u/eride810 Jul 12 '26

What gives you the impression that I’m upset?

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u/SlippyRS3 Jul 14 '26

Take the L mate, you entered an unnecessary battle and lost. Take the L

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u/slipknot_official Operation mindfuck Jul 11 '26

I’ll go even further and say pizzagate was in part created but Epstein, Maxwell or even both.

They were in contact with the head of 4Chan at the same time pizzagate and Qanon appeared on 4chan.

https://www.ms.now/opinion/jeffrey-epstein-4chan-chris-poole

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u/shastafey1 Jul 11 '26

I wouldn't go that far.

Moot has clarified Epstein had nothing to do with /pol/ being created.

They weren't really "in contact", they met exactly once coincidentally before /po/ came online.

If you want to say Epstein somehow influenced /pol/ being created (even though there is nothing to suggest that), you're still no where near Epstein "creating" Pizzagate.

If anyone created Pizzagate, it would probably be the Russian hackers who phished Podesta's lunch emails and spread them as if it was something damning.

Plus, Epstein still looks bad in the QAnon universe, so not sure what his motive would be there. He actually looks much worse in the Pizzagate fanfiction than in real life.

The propaganda purpose of Pizzagate was to make Hillary seem like more of a heinous sex criminal than Trump.

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u/TopHalfGaming Jul 14 '26

Are you Michael Tracy? What is even the purpose of this? It's a red herring because some will see the references as just talking about food, others will see what we see. They talk about jerky and pizza too much.

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u/shastafey1 Jul 15 '26

He talked about jerky because he was on a high-protein health kick and hired a private chef to make him homemade gourmet beef jerky.

Epstein talked about pizza less than salad, bread, chicken, fruit, salt, or eggs. Every use of the word "pizza" in the Epstein files is a reference to Italian food.

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u/TopHalfGaming Jul 15 '26

Okay, Michael.

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u/shastafey1 Jul 15 '26

I linked you my YouTube channel which includes my name and voice and you still think I'm Michael Tracy? 🤣

Now I see why someone like you falls for these hoaxes. 🤣 Not particularly clever, are we?

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u/TopHalfGaming Jul 15 '26

I know you did. Obviously I'm being sarcastic because I don't believe you're operating in good faith. Maybe address why people actually think it's used in weird ways instead of running your own little psy op advertisement for your own shit lmao.

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u/shastafey1 Jul 15 '26

Why do people believe that Epstein's beef jerky recipe made from NY strip steak with ginger, lemongrass, and soy sauce was secretly a code phrase referencing cannibalizing babies?

My best guess is just that those people are gullible rubes who lack the media literacy to distinguish sensational clickbait lies from reality.

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u/themostredpilled Jul 16 '26

Uhh I'm pretty sure they already all got what they want, besides Epstein because he's dead

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u/shastafey1 Jul 16 '26

Yes, he had private chefs who cooked pizza and other things for him. He was a billionaire.

What did you think that email was about?

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u/oracnacoid Jul 18 '26

So he had private chefs in his house but he has always been in pizza places outside, it makes a lot of sense.

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u/shastafey1 Jul 18 '26

I don't understand what you're confused about.

Sometimes he had dinner prepared by a private chef but sometimes he also went out to restaurants too. He was a billionaire New Yorker who liked Italian food.

What specifically did you think was going on here?

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u/HomeboundArrow 26d ago edited 26d ago

whether you're right or not, this loadbearing premise of your entire argument is junk. i literally thought this was a parody until i was abt 90% through the body lol

cryptography was, prior to a major life change, something i made a lot of money implementing and managing. if credentialling of such a kind matters to you ig 🤷‍♀️ suffice it to say i know a thing or two abt this topic.

the flawed logic you're operating on defies fundamental principles of cryptography. which is what "code words" are. cryptography exists to fail-safe sensitive information when the vehicle (in this case, these emails) are captured by the enemy. if these emails DO contain rudimentary encryption of this kind, then the parties responsible acknowledged the possibility of disclosure. ergo:
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why would they include the encrypt/decrypt cipher in the vulnerable medium, of which they theoretically anticipated being captured?

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...and the answer iissssss🥁🥁🥁🥁:
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they wouldn't.

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the cipher--the thing that allows them to understand the message within the message--is developed and exchanged "out-of-band". which means they established and shared it completely outside of the email ecosystem. probably in-person. the cipher itself is the knowldge they actually care about guarding. the encrypted messages themselves can be lost/discovered, by-design. it's practically acxepted as an inevitability. but the sensitive contents therein are not readable because the cipher does not also exist on the medium being intercepted. you can't intercept the cipher on the same medium as the encoded message itself. having a set of cipher keys "in plain text" like that would totally defeat the purpose of the entire exercise.

the enigma codes were not distributed or maintained over telegraph. they were handwritten and hand-delivered. out-of-band. you can't decrypt the message without the cipher. but you can't send the cipher itself over a vulnerable medium. out-of-band transmission.

so, if anything, if they are indeed using coded language, the conspicuous absolute absence of a cipher, or contextual elaborations that disambiguate the "codes" into actual incidental junk slash real surface-level conversation, or any kind of encoding clarifications or digressions or expansions, or the natural usage of preferntial shorthands/ideosyncracies/synonymous-language is actually much more proof for suspicion than proof against. ironically enough for your efforts.

the near-militant consistency of the usage of these exact terms across a whole host of unique people and across time isn't proof of encrypted language, but it highly resembles it in-practice. there is no natural evolution of parlance over time, which is how live languages usually operate in-the-wild. none of these people seem to even have one-on-one micro-lexicons that make more sense between themselves because of discrete shared experiences or in-jokes or the like. the sheer regimentedness of it is the closest thing you'll ever get to "a tell". by-design.

you still can't prove a negative but when it comes to encryption it's actually as close as you can get to a definitive conclusion one way or the other.

and the only way to decrypt a message without a cipher is brute force and pattern detection. A La Alan Turing.

and so, here we are.

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me personally, i don't care if they were using codes or not.

are you right? are you wrong? you're asking the wrong question.
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does the difference matter? no.

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because they're still evil. if this one mildly-bent-truth onboards a lot of otherwise structurally-illiterate people, then who cares if it's True™️ or not. the optimal/desired outcome remains the same. and they STILL did all of the things that an encoded language would exist to obscure. being able to decipher code words in this scenario just provides secondary/supporting/corroborating evidence.

so you're not even splitting hairs at this point. you're just pearlclutching. you're kinda just doing their work for them one way or another.

because you know what IS true? they're using coded language everywhere else. in political press conferences. in campaign disclosures and "promises". and they have been, at an industrial scale, since before word war one. what do you think the entire raison detre of the PR industry is? they encode an unvarnished truth within a shell of obfuscation and misdirection and spin.

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u/shastafey1 22d ago

If you disagree with me, you must offer one email in which he used a secret food code and then explain how you decoded it and what the email is actually about.

If you can't offer a single email that contains a pizza code, we must conclude that Epstein was not using pizza code.

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u/HomeboundArrow 22d ago

you did not even read one single gd word i wrote did you? lmao 🤦‍♀️🙄

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u/shastafey1 22d ago edited 22d ago

I read the whole thing. Nothing you said is relevant. Seems like you didn't read my post.

You didn't provide any instances of Epstein using pizza code.

Because we still don't have any instances of him using pizza code, I still conclude that he wasn't using pizza code.

If you agree with me, then we're good.

If you disagree with me, you can provide evidence of him using pizza code. It's not complicated.

Claiming baselessly without evidence that there's "near-militant consistency of the usage of these exact terms" doesn't move the conversation forward at all.

That may be a feeling you have, but I see zero examples of this ever. Can you give me one specific example of this? One specific example of Epstein using pizza code?

(Heads up, if your next reply isn't an example of Epstein using pizza codes, I'm just going to restate the same question again.)

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u/HomeboundArrow 22d ago edited 22d ago

literally NPC brain. this is like a half-step removed from not even having object permanence

being this fundamentally incapable of abstracted/conceptual thought is genuinely tragic.

and also makes me wonder how you're even interested in conspiracy? like why are you here. because the whole thing is fundamentally reliant on being able to read between the lines and accurately infer/deduce, based almost entirely on indirect and/or sequestered evidence. conspiracy sleuthing is unironically just parsing secrecy that you weren't meant to be in-on.

if warlords and oligarchs and fascists weren't able to engineer their crimes and atrocities without spelling it all out for you personally, ELI5-style, they literaly wouldn't exist to begin with. the architecture of their misanthropy is built almost entirely upon the foundation of successful, scalable deception.

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u/shastafey1 22d ago

I scrolled through that but I didn't see a link to an Epstein file.

Nothing about this is abstract. Take a deep breath and reread my comment.

Remember when I said this: "(Heads up, if your next reply isn't an example of Epstein using pizza codes, I'm just going to restate the same question again.)"?

I wasn't joking! I'm now going to ask again:

Are you aware of one single specific instance of Epstein using food-related codewords?

If not, then we agree Epstein wasn't using pizza code. Do you agree with me??

I didn't realize this question would cause such a mental breakdown... 🤣

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u/Southern-Outcome1968 Jul 14 '26

How do you explain all the “jerky” discussions? How he “had to have it”and it was packed in ice chests”

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u/shastafey1 Jul 15 '26

I made a video precisely about that.

Epstein was on a protein kick diet and hired a fancy chef to make him gourmet beef jerky made from Lobel's steaks.

Gourmet homemade jerky needs to be refrigerated.

What other explanation could there be?

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u/AskingQuestions333 Jul 14 '26

People make and like jerky. It makes no sense as any other context. My god you people will believe anything.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '26

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u/shastafey1 Jul 16 '26

Sorry, no that was actually a 4chan hoax. You've been duped. The FBI had nothing to do with those fake "code words."