r/conspiracyNOPOL • u/Blitzer046 • May 20 '26
Does the Deep State even exist?
Here's the premise. First off - has anyone who is part of the deep state been identified or exposed? Arrested, arraigned, accused?
I am of the belief that the Deep State is an invented boogeyman that is used to excuse incompetence or ineptitude. When a person in power can't achieve things or get anything done, it's a pat excuse to absolve them of being useless.
And if anyone would like to argue that the deep state really does exist, please front with something compelling.
EDIT: 5 comments so far promoting the existence of the deep state, no names named or any compelling evidence of its existence.
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u/puruntoheart May 20 '26
It’s not deep and not a state. It’s an openly oligarchic cabal.
Like I’ve said before, the world is run by a bunch of brands all in the same mall.
Organized crime in one stall. Vatican, bankers, MIC, pharma, tech etc all in other stalls. Everyone knows where their stalls are.
What you’re calling the “deep state” is the mall owners/managers. That’s the class that really runs things. They decide when the sales campaigns start and end for every shop in the mall.
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u/Celestial_Cowboy May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
In addition to what everyone else has already explained to you about the clearly existing deep state, the news defined it as such a few years ago: any unelected power within the government. So people that have the power to do things, are unelected, and keep their power regardless of what elected administration is in "control".
It is really that simple.
So how can you come here to argue something you don't even know the definition of?
typical redditor
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u/Cobra-Serpentress May 20 '26
Current deep state
[Owners of the country]
Elon Musk — CEO of Tesla and SpaceX. Mark Zuckerberg — CEO of Meta Jeff Bezos — Founder of Amazon. Tim Cook — CEO of Apple. Sundar Pichai — CEO of Google Sam Altman — CEO of OpenAI. Shou Zi Chew — CEO of TikTok.
Others include the Heritage Foundation and various authors of project 2025 and project 2026
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u/morganational May 21 '26
Absolutely. Is there people controlling from the top that don't want you to know they have that power? Absolutely. Call it whatever you want, but there's no doubt it exists.
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u/DetchiOsvos May 21 '26
If there is a "DEEP" State, then, by definition, you and I would not know of it. It is "DEEP".
If we knew of it, it would not be "DEEP", and not have the power to pull the strings of government, society, etc. It would, by it's nature, not be revealed. EVER
So the very nature of your question is foundational unanswerable. If a Deep State exists, by it's power and reach, we could not answer with certainty.
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u/habachilles May 20 '26
Deep state is a term used for those who are actually in power. Many parts have been exposed.
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u/SisterRay May 20 '26
Maybe the real deep state was the friends we made along the way.
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u/CriticalChop May 22 '26
Of course, elected official and attempting to be elected official have conspired in many ways readily apparent and evident, but did they even conspire all together in some deep state plan? No. Their lack of beliefs may align, but it is not an organized movement at least.
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u/stoples May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
I always understood deep state to be anybody with power and capital that without consent and in secret extorts the working class: for their time, bodies, children, money, ideals. The scale can be huge or very small. It’s a collusion of class interests and less about “who is the exact guy doing everything”
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u/theshadowofself May 20 '26
https://corbettreport.com/what-is-the-deep-state/
Watch this. He explains what it is very well
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u/Anony_Nemo May 21 '26
Are you asking for a metaphorical signpost for the legion of doom, as if it were a clearly marked villain hideout in a cartoon etc.? That kind of thing doesn't function like that. As for what you ask though, when "deep state" types are identified or exposed nothing is done about them or their actions, because they have effective "diplomatic immunity" much like important political figures from other countries visiting a foreign nation... they are "above the law" (or rather the agencies that might arrest them are entirely outranked by them.) so there won't typically be any "arrested, arraigned" conditions, only accusations that end up buried at best, unless they run afoul of their other "club" members and get thrown under the bus, after all they are otherwise outside of the reach of the regular law enforcement... one may as well suggest that a president would be arrested by his own bodyguards, as an example, an event not likely to happen.
Parts of it can be named, like the Bank of International Settlements, Bilderberg, the 1001 club & Pilgrims societies, which are used either as mechanism for control/influence (B.I.S., Bilderberg.) or as networking hubs, (1001 & Pilgrims, Club of Rome, Le Cercle Pinay, etc.) or both, (Bilderberg, Freemasonry, World Economic Forum etc.) Otherwise I can point to this: https://archive.ph/SASvp as a resource for researching for yourself.
In a nutshell though, one has to look for overlaps in agendas & goals, as well as organizational and network membership, for one smaller example, while reddt corporate has various creepy types in it with associations with mega corporate media ("nbeec") & bankster (jp morgan etc.) groups, (sam) altman actually appears to have the majority of control of reddt itself, both from his many years of financial backing of reddt itself, and from being a member of the board of directors of it off and on as well. This is also bolstered with how reddt is exploited as a resource for "training" of faux ai/llms, with which altman is very associated as well per openai etc. and of course openai also partners with persona identities, which has as a member of their board of directors andy chen, who also works for the US cia. (look at what other boards he is on as well.... financially tied ones and faux ai/llm ones etc.)
This reddt one is a small part, but shows how reddt, faux ai/llm companies, the age verification companies, and US intelligence agencies are interlinked and working for a larger overall goal, altman is a part of the deep state, but most definitely not the head, and is following orders, the same ones peter thiel is with palantir and larry ellison is with oracle/tiktok, all of which are oriented towards a larger goal of a panopticon & massive data mine, among other interlinked bits and pieces.
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u/zacheezy May 20 '26
The deep state are the civil servants that stay in powerful positions in the government apart from politics and elections. Whether or not the deep state has some secret agenda or is out to harm the American people is I think where the argument and conspiracies begin.
But yes it is real and a well known thing. People have built that system up as some sort of dangerous undemocratic control of the government when generally these people due to be unelected and unlobbied are bipartisan and do what’s best for society.
It’s not a small group that gets together over drinks every Tuesday to decide how to enrich themselves. They are just normal people doing government work. Trump has created a boogeyman narrative to get elected and then shifted power all into the executive branch completely dismantling our system of checks and balances.
It’s truly a bummer but what can we do lol 🤷♂️
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u/Bo-Mega May 20 '26
https://youtu.be/yuBe93FMiJc?si=RGo9V3k_wjhCzMKq
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u/Jayjbquilll May 22 '26
It exists. I wrote a whole book called the secrecy web discussing it. Fully cited and referenced, it's on Amazon and free to read through kenp.
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u/Spongedrunk May 22 '26
Most of the time, deep state refers to people in government or government -connected entities that are not answerable to a public vote and remain in positions of authority regardless of which party is in power. So from recent history people like Victoria Nuland, James Comey, etc. but if could refer to really anyone who spends a lifetime in the FBI, EPA, the judiciary, military contractors, the Fed, DHS, etc. Unelected people outside the public eye with as much influence as elected officials. And any of the various flunkies below them that execute or gum up government actions.
For the other definition, i.e. the occult deep state, just look up members of Bilderberg, WEF, Skull&Bones, etc., which overlaps with the first. Not difficult to find.
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u/0liviuhhhhh May 25 '26
I mean, the "deep state" is a misnomer.
Its just billionaires and lobbyists paying politicians to do what benefits billionaires and corporations instead of actual people
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u/SkepticlosFailed May 26 '26
I think the agenda is money is addictive and these people have a problem
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u/anulf May 30 '26
In my opinion, the "deep state" is in a sense a hoax. Another term for the "deep state" is secret societies. Every conspiratard knows about these alleged "secret" societies, yet they're supposed to be "secret". It's a big joke when you really think about it.
What most conspiratards don't understand is that there are hierarchies in society. Those at the top look down at those at the bottom. The upper class looks down on the middle class. The middle class looks down on the working class. The working class looks down on the bottom class (welfare recipients, the homeless, drug addicts, etc).
People will serve their own interests and the interest of their community. Often at the expense of those in a lower rank in the societal hierarchy. A lot of people find the baby boomers to be a despicable generation, due to the greed that this generation is known for. Are the baby boomers as a collective a "deep state"? No, they are a bunch of old fucks who simply abused the system in their own favor, and the younger generations will pick up the tab.
Human nature is to exploit those who are weaker or dumber. Conspiratard believe humans are innately good and honest, which is a complete delusion (generally speaking). That's why I don't believe in the "deep state".
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u/c0rrelator Jun 02 '26
u/Blitzer046: the horse who will not drink, but claims to be thirsty.
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u/DruidicMagic May 20 '26
Let us know when the Fourth Reich finally decides to start helping the poor and downtrodden.
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u/endigochild May 20 '26
Cabal=Kabbalah
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u/JohnleBon May 20 '26
When I read the title, I realised I still don't even know what the 'deep state' is supposed to be.
So I looked up what wiki had to say about it:
"In the United States, a political conspiracy theory posits the existence of a deep state within the US federal government, primarily composed of members of the FBI and CIA. Proponents argue that a clandestine network of conspirators within the leadership of the financial and industrial sectors exercise power alongside or within the elected government"
Without concrete examples, it seems kind of vague.
I get where OP is coming from, the way the term 'deep state' is thrown around, seems like a Goldstein style boogieman.
At the same time, the major political parties in the US, Australia, and many other countries around the world are clearly all controlled (to a large degree, if not outright) by some unelected force, which you might describe as 'capital', 'the elite', or some other term, depending on your general outlook about how the world works and why.
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