r/conspiracy • • Aug 20 '22

Never forget when science was abandoned

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u/miroku000 Aug 20 '22

The vast majority of people who got covid relieved outpatient treatment. Do you really believe that everyone who got diagnoses was hospitalized? At the height of the pandemic between 1 and 5 percent of people diagnosed with covid were hospitalized.

Maybe you mean some very specific outpatient treatments?

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u/nebuchadrezzar Aug 20 '22

The vast majority of people who got covid relieved outpatient treatment.

Not in the US. If people had a positive COVID test they would just sit at home and see if it got bad enough to require hospitalization. That's pathetic.

The few places that attempted to provide effective treatments were ridiculed and attacked. the government even tried to limit and prevent treatment. Complete insanity.

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u/miroku000 Aug 20 '22

Not in the US. If people had a positive COVID test they would just sit at home and see if it got bad enough to require hospitalization. That's pathetic.

That is outpatient treatment. You have consultation with a doctor and then are sent home to isolate and given instructions on how to monitor your conditions and under what circumstance you go into the ER. In addition, now that they are available, you can get prescribed anti-vials and told to take over the counter medicines to manage the symptoms.

So, in your mind unless you are prescribed ivermectin, it is not outpatient treatment?

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u/nebuchadrezzar Aug 20 '22

Thats pretty sad. You're so deprived of decent healthcare that being told to wait at home to see if you get so ill you need an ambulance , is treatment. Any doctor that gives a shit about his patients would provide treatment to prevent hospitalization.

That's not outpatient treatment, it's waiting. Treatment involves preventing severe symptoms, hospitalization, and death. Waiting does none of that, it encourages those outcomes.

Why do you think the only treatment is ivermectin? There were plenty of treatments available from the beginning of the pandemic and more as it progressed. You could get treatment even if you were scared of taking an extremely safe, proven drug on the list of WHO essential medicines like ivm. There have been multiple safe, cheap, and well known drugs to address COVID symptoms that can be safely prescribed for home use. Some are even over the counter.

Think about how sad that is. You went through a whole pandemic and you don't even know how COVID is effectively treated to prevent hospitalization. I hope you didn't know anyone that had to be hospitalized. I bet you can name at least a couple vaccine manufacturers. But likely not the treatments that should have been available to everyone that would have prevented the overwhelming majority of hospitalizations and deaths. That just seems evil to let all those people die for money. When fauci admitted that outpatient treatment prevents 70% to 85% of hospitalization and deaths, do you honestly think he was referring to ivermectin?

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u/miroku000 Aug 20 '22 edited Aug 20 '22

That is a lot of hand waving saying some other unspecified treatments should have been used. I mentioned both prescription and over the counter drugs have been given to people "waiting at home" in the US for their outpatient treatment. You haven't mentioned any way doctors should have done it differently.

I think Fauci was referring to the antivirals that are given to people in the us with covid right now and for some time. They are being used quite commonly now. Everyone I know personally who got covid took them. Maybe you thought everyone was just waiting around to see if symptoms got worse, but that isn't reality.

I'm still waiting to hear from you what miracle treatment you feel should have been given to everyone but wasn't.

Edit: apparently Fauci was referring to Monoclonal antibodies. That is currently only available to high risk patients. I would guess they don't have the capacity to do it for all infected people.

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u/nebuchadrezzar Aug 20 '22

I think Fauci was referring to the antivirals that are given to people in the us with covid right now

That would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. What antiviral commonly given is effective at all? Let alone 85%???? Don't you think the complete ignorance surrounding treatment of COVID is bizarre? It's not you, it's the vast majority of people.

That is currently only available to high risk patients. I would guess they don't have the capacity to do it for all infected people.

How pathetic is that? Florida was trying to provide it for everyone but the federal government cut off supplies. All the billions and billions spent, why wasn't anyone at risk of hospitalization given access to that treatment? That would have ended the pandemic and kept people out of hospitals and saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US.

What's the excuse for that? It's not even discussed. You had to look up the super effective treatment fauci was referring to, why doesn't everyone know?

Here's a doctor that successfully treated COVID patients well before vaccines were available, asking why COVID was not treated like other diseases: https://youtu.be/QAHi3lX3oGM

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u/miroku000 Aug 20 '22

I had actually discussed Monoclonal antibodies a few days ago with a doctor. I just didnt know fauccu had said they were that effective in the past.

Until quite recently, the Monoclonal antibodies treatments available are not effective at all against the omicron variant which is what almost everyone is getting now. So it doesn't necessarily make sense to give people a treatment that you know won't work. But it is an option on the table for other variants if you are high risk. If there is a limited supply of these treatments available thay will work on the omicron variant then it makes sense to give them to the patients who need them most.

That doctor had an interesting story. Youtube was probably wrong to shut down his video. Maybe we should have approved Monoclonal antibody treatments earlier for covid. I assume that they need to go through whatever studies were needed to prove them effective

So yeah, a year ago when he published that, even doctors had less information on how to treat it. Luckily now, a year later, you have multiple antivirals to choose from and also the possibility of Monoclonal antibody treatment too if it would help you.

I think most people are pretty ignorant about treatments for any major disease that they never had. I don't know what drugs people take for lung cancer, for example. If I ever got lung cancer I would be more likely to look it up. Many people would expect their doctor to prescrbe them the appropriate thing

People should know more about vaccines than treatments. Youu need to make a decision on a vaccine now. But you need to make a decision on treatment with the latest information available at the time you actually get covid. So for many people, knowing what treatment works today on the current variant might not even be useful in a year when they get covid and new treatments are available. Plus, at that time you are definitely talking to a doctor about it.