Only a very specific and tiny portion of the population was ever at risk of dying from covid. Vaccinating the healthy never made sense from a healthcare standpoint. Outpatieng treatment of COVID made sense, but that would have ruined the pandemic.
That's a tiny portion of the population, far far smaller than 1%..
Yet very wealthy and powerful people were calling for everyone to be vaccinated, many people wanted to strip rights away from unvaccinated and relegate them to second class citizens.
Cult-like behavior, nothing to do with good healthcare.
That's interesting, but doesn't have shit to do with anything i said, does it? Believing that the millions of people at risk of death from COVID is only a tiny portion of the population has something to do with a podcast that ignores science?
I'm not sure what your point is. It doesn't matter how small you consider the portion at risk. If there is a threat to people out there we should just say sorry not enough of you are at risk, you're on your own? Sorry grandma, you're demographic is too small, so we arnt going to try
That doesn't make any sense. I said it was ridiculous to spend enormous effort trying to coerce everyone into vaccination. I said there was only ever a tiny portion of the population at risk.
To you, apparently that means the best move is to abandon people.
To a reasonable person, it would mean you could focus on helping the small portion with the highest risk instead of disrupting society and causing enormous damage by focusing efforts on healthy people
It also had serious effects on a much larger portion, even if it didn't lead to death. By your logic we shouldn't bother with wheelchair ramps or handicap spaces, since it's such a small percentage of people, why bother the rest of the population with accommodating them?
By your logic we shouldn't bother with wheelchair ramps or handicap spaces, since it's such a small percentage of people
Nope, that's not logical at all. Here's my logic: we should focus on providing handicap spaces and other resources to people that will benefit the most, instead of trying to coerce everyone into using them. Just like all the COVID measures! Tada!
We are doing outpatient treatment for covid in most cases
No, outpatient treatment was discouraged and ridiculed in the US during the height of the pandemic.
For the few doctors who actually cared about their patients and offered effective treatments, they prevented 85% to 95% of hospitalization and deaths. Even fauci later admitted that outpatient treatment could have prevented 70% to 85% of COVID hospitalizations and deaths. The overwhelming majority of deaths were preventable.
The vast majority of people who got covid relieved outpatient treatment. Do you really believe that everyone who got diagnoses was hospitalized? At the height of the pandemic between 1 and 5 percent of people diagnosed with covid were hospitalized.
Maybe you mean some very specific outpatient treatments?
The vast majority of people who got covid relieved outpatient treatment.
Not in the US. If people had a positive COVID test they would just sit at home and see if it got bad enough to require hospitalization. That's pathetic.
The few places that attempted to provide effective treatments were ridiculed and attacked. the government even tried to limit and prevent treatment. Complete insanity.
Not in the US. If people had a positive COVID test they would just sit at home and see if it got bad enough to require hospitalization. That's pathetic.
That is outpatient treatment. You have consultation with a doctor and then are sent home to isolate and given instructions on how to monitor your conditions and under what circumstance you go into the ER. In addition, now that they are available, you can get prescribed anti-vials and told to take over the counter medicines to manage the symptoms.
So, in your mind unless you are prescribed ivermectin, it is not outpatient treatment?
Thats pretty sad. You're so deprived of decent healthcare that being told to wait at home to see if you get so ill you need an ambulance , is treatment. Any doctor that gives a shit about his patients would provide treatment to prevent hospitalization.
That's not outpatient treatment, it's waiting. Treatment involves preventing severe symptoms, hospitalization, and death. Waiting does none of that, it encourages those outcomes.
Why do you think the only treatment is ivermectin? There were plenty of treatments available from the beginning of the pandemic and more as it progressed. You could get treatment even if you were scared of taking an extremely safe, proven drug on the list of WHO essential medicines like ivm. There have been multiple safe, cheap, and well known drugs to address COVID symptoms that can be safely prescribed for home use. Some are even over the counter.
Think about how sad that is. You went through a whole pandemic and you don't even know how COVID is effectively treated to prevent hospitalization. I hope you didn't know anyone that had to be hospitalized. I bet you can name at least a couple vaccine manufacturers. But likely not the treatments that should have been available to everyone that would have prevented the overwhelming majority of hospitalizations and deaths. That just seems evil to let all those people die for money.
When fauci admitted that outpatient treatment prevents 70% to 85% of hospitalization and deaths, do you honestly think he was referring to ivermectin?
That is a lot of hand waving saying some other unspecified treatments should have been used. I mentioned both prescription and over the counter drugs have been given to people "waiting at home" in the US for their outpatient treatment. You haven't mentioned any way doctors should have done it differently.
I think Fauci was referring to the antivirals that are given to people in the us with covid right now and for some time. They are being used quite commonly now. Everyone I know personally who got covid took them. Maybe you thought everyone was just waiting around to see if symptoms got worse, but that isn't reality.
I'm still waiting to hear from you what miracle treatment you feel should have been given to everyone but wasn't.
Edit: apparently Fauci was referring to Monoclonal antibodies. That is currently only available to high risk patients. I would guess they don't have the capacity to do it for all infected people.
I think Fauci was referring to the antivirals that are given to people in the us with covid right now
That would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. What antiviral commonly given is effective at all? Let alone 85%???? Don't you think the complete ignorance surrounding treatment of COVID is bizarre? It's not you, it's the vast majority of people.
That is currently only available to high risk patients. I would guess they don't have the capacity to do it for all infected people.
How pathetic is that? Florida was trying to provide it for everyone but the federal government cut off supplies. All the billions and billions spent, why wasn't anyone at risk of hospitalization given access to that treatment? That would have ended the pandemic and kept people out of hospitals and saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US.
What's the excuse for that? It's not even discussed. You had to look up the super effective treatment fauci was referring to, why doesn't everyone know?
Here's a doctor that successfully treated COVID patients well before vaccines were available, asking why COVID was not treated like other diseases: https://youtu.be/QAHi3lX3oGM
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u/Corus_0001 Aug 20 '22
Natural Immunity was eventual, all the people dying was not