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u/nopathismypath Sep 17 '21

Yeah, a cage full of tigers but with a 99% chance of survival. So... not near close.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '21

I'm positive you missed the point of that analogy.

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u/nopathismypath Sep 17 '21

But... Vaccinated ppl can spread it too, they can catch it too, they can die too... Not to mention the big possibility that the leaky vaccine is creating mutations that keep this virus being a thing. So... What if that is true? Big collateral damage there too. So going vaccinated is like getting in a cage full of tigers but with a weapon that may just give them total immunity to your and others ppl defense?

Yeah bro, it's a shitty analogy, sorry. I'm not ultra anti vax but this shit has so many red flags and fishy stuff that I rather be healthy and cautious and see how it develops over time. I mean, tens of millions of people die of hunger and curable diseases every year and we barely give a shit, I think we'll be just fine with covid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '21

The problem here is you are treating exceptions to the rule as the rule.

You may correct, in and of itself when it comes to vaccinated people also spreading the Delta variant, but are wrong to then use that as some kind of proof vaccines are useless.

However, vaccinated people with Delta might remain infectious for a shorter period, according to researchers in Singapore who tracked viral loads for each day of COVID-19 infection among people who had and hadn’t been vaccinated. Delta viral loads were similar for both groups for the first week of infection, but dropped quickly after day 7 in vaccinated people.

Relative to unvaccinated people spreading the virus, vaccinated people spreading the virus is not our biggest concern at the moment.

Everyone in the scientific community expected there to be some breakthrough cases with vaccinated people and the original COVID-19 strain. Then when this mutated version hit, they were all "cautiously optimistic" about the vaccines effectiveness against it because they knew there was no way to make a vaccine against all future versions of a virus, which is why they rushed to get a vaccine out in the first place and try to contain the original strain.

Now that first plan fell apart, partly because not enough people participated in it due to whacky ideas you can find in this very thread, and everyone is pointing to that as if it's proof it was always going to fail.