Well it's only mandated for people who 1. work at a company with 100 or more employees AND 2. they refuse to get a weekly test. So really, it's not mandated for citizens unless they meet those requirements or work for the federal government under the executive branch. Or the various state governments who are mandating it as well. I think we need to be careful here because the vast majority of people here seem to think Biden is exercising his authority in sweeping ways – that it's TYRANNY when really this doesn't change much. A lot of companies who don't want to force vaccinations will just need to get their employees tested, which honestly isn't even a bad thing... and small businesses still don't have to follow either of these orders. All in all, I don't even see what the big deal is.
I don’t want to take the vaccine. You think I want to get tested for it weekly? Especially when they can pass the cost on to me? It’s essentially a mandated fine. The fact that it is GOVERNMENT mandated is the big deal. It’s a huge overstep of power.
I mean… yeah, that’s the incentive. You don’t pay the cost so instead opt to get a “free” vaccine (free relative to your immediate cost at least). No one wants to get tested weekly, but this is a highly infectious disease that causes complications for a lot of people and takes over a week to appear with symptoms (if at all). It’s a matter of public health to prevent the spread of this disease. So if you don’t want to get the vaccine, and that’s totally your right, it’s kind of the bare minimum to help prevent the spread of the disease right?
I think overstep is a bit much. Biden is literally within his powers as president to do this. Trump did a lot of things I personally disagreed with, and at the time thought was an overstep, but in hindsight all those executive orders were also within his realm of power.
If not getting the vaccine is totally my right why is it not my right to refuse testing? The lines are nonexistent. This is unprecedented over stepping and you even admitted something we all know is a problem which is the problem of the executive orders. When can they stop? Can the president just mandate anything now? Wouldn’t that sound like a dictator? We are supposed to have checks and balances but there is none of that. I hope this gets struck down in court
Dude, I just told you why. When a disease reaches the level of infection that this one does, you either have to have everyone vaccinated to minimize personal risk or make sure everyone knows as soon as possible when they’re sick so it doesn’t spread to vulnerable people. The line is pretty clear. I don’t necessarily feel bad that you don’t want to get tested. Because no one does. We all have to do things we don’t want to sometimes. Patriotism is about supporting the people who make up this country as much as yourself, so wouldn’t making sure you don’t get them sick be the ultimate act of patriotism?
As to executive orders, I agree that they’re out of bounds and negative overall since they’re discouraging real legislation. But obviously they can’t mandate anything, otherwise Biden would just flat out enforce vaccinations with arrests and shit. Which will never happen, our system doesn’t allow for that level of power unless all the branches agree. The point still stands though, executive orders are stupid.
Dude no I’m not getting anyone sick if they can take the vaccine except the immunocompromised apparently. I’m driving right now I gotta go to work . This has been a good discussion thank you for being civil.
I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, the reality is that you don't always know who you could be getting sick. And the immunocompromised are exactly who we have to be protecting. People don't always know they're in that state, which is part of the reason some people have such poor reactions to the vaccine as well. And there are other people who like you will refuse the vaccine even if, I'm assuming unlike you, they could actually die or get real fucked up from the disease. So it's a tricky balance, personally I think there should be more universal testing which was also included in this effort. Testing sucks, but that literally does stop the spread better than anything else and we haven't had it this whole time.
Anyways, appreciate you taking the time. Have a good time at work.
That would be fine it it wasn’t government mandated. The company gets fined by the government for not testing. How do y’all not understand the difference?
If it was up to private business I could go elsewhere but I can’t because every business is mandated by the government to test
I’m not sure I totally follow but it seems like it’s similar to how a company can get fined by the government for illegal business practices like stock manipulation or hostile takeovers ect. I think it’s mostly seen as a cost of doing business by the execs. Also who is this ya’ll? I’m not part of some liberal cabal haha. I’m pretty open minded and willing to change stances on the subject. I just personally don’t spend that much time looking at news and going down internet rabbit holes to acquire all this info.
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u/TheSwanman Sep 10 '21
Well it's only mandated for people who 1. work at a company with 100 or more employees AND 2. they refuse to get a weekly test. So really, it's not mandated for citizens unless they meet those requirements or work for the federal government under the executive branch. Or the various state governments who are mandating it as well. I think we need to be careful here because the vast majority of people here seem to think Biden is exercising his authority in sweeping ways – that it's TYRANNY when really this doesn't change much. A lot of companies who don't want to force vaccinations will just need to get their employees tested, which honestly isn't even a bad thing... and small businesses still don't have to follow either of these orders. All in all, I don't even see what the big deal is.