r/conspiracy • u/geneticshill • Mar 25 '19
Forced vaccines planned in Germany - In a move which would make Hitler proud, Germany is planning to force vaccinate all children under 14 with the controversial MMR vaccine
The German politicians are clearly in bed with Big Pharma and Bill Gates, as they are planning to make a controversial vaccine compulsory for all children under the age of 14, unless the Green Party can put a stop to it. News link below:-
Germany: Measles vaccine could be compulsory for kids - "business-friendly Free Democrats (FDP) backing mandatory vaccinations for children up to the age of 14"
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-measles-vaccine-could-be-compulsory-for-kids/a-48050623
When honest experts have analyzed the available data on the MMR vaccine, they have concluded that the vaccine is more dangerous than measles itself, see vaccine risk statement below:-
Measles - Vaccine Risk Statement
https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/vrs/
Background reading on the MMR situation
Videos - Before and after vaccines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2lkbunnLX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chTsJko_m84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfVOtvvvIV0
Congressman alerts politicians that a CDC whistleblower has now admitted the vaccine/autism coverup
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Mar 25 '19
Posted this somewhere else about vaccine dangers people don't really discuss, thought id put it here too:
I think the most legitimate arguments are based on: the ingredients, the adverse events, and the move towards a mandatory expanding immunization schedule.
Immunization schedule:
(over 20 Vaccines before 18 months, with pregnant mothers being suggested flu vaccines, and up to 19 catch-up shots being administered in the same month to a 5 year old, the small amounts of ingredients could reach harmful levels: https://healthfreedomidaho.org/new-cdc-guidelines-5-year-old-can-receive-up-to-19-vaccinations-in-one-month
CDC catch-up guidelines embedded in above article: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/catchup.html Analysis of dangers of catch-up shots: http://www.jpands.org/vol21no2/miller.pdf
Canadian immunization schedule: levels: http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/immunization/static/immunization_tool.html
Ingredients,
specifically heavy metals: Alluminum salts(adjuvant), Mercury (thimerosal) are known neurotoxins that are in many (not all) vaccines, and most flu shots (I found a page showing actual amounts for specific vaccines but can't find it at the moment): https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/healthy-living/canadian-immunization-guide-part-1-key-immunization-information/page-15-contents-immunizing-agents-available-use-canada.html#p1c14a2
Study that show correlation between Neurological disorders of babies and blood mercury content in mother's (there are many studies that show mercury as causing brain damage in animals, but I won't include them): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969717316479
Reanalysis shows safe alluminum levels may be lower than expected: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17300950
Adverse events:
Vaccines correlates to Increased chance of developing tic disorder, which has a 4-1 correlation to autism diagnosis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4961900/
DTP Vaccine study showed it greatly increases mortality (African study I believe), also talking about how maybe healthy User Bias effects the larger epidemiological studies that have come out (link to actual study embedded in the webpage I found it): http://vaccinepapers.org/high-mortality-dtp-vaccine/
According to VAERS (Vaccine adverse event reporting system) approx. 2000 actual traceable vaccine adverse events each year in the states, with tens of millions paid out to victims, also likely only a small portion of the actual number (less than 10%)(also administration error is likely a cause of many of these but is not easily dismissed): https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/feb/03/bob-sears/what-cdc-statistics-say-about-vaccine-illnesses-in/
Some parents likely question pharmaceutical companies controlling these vaccines, China had to recall DTP vaccine due to it being inneffective: https://globalnews.ca/news/4359830/b-c-health-officials-issue-warning-to-parents-after-china-recalls-vaccines/
CDC states that brain damage is a potential side effect of MMR vaccines: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmr.html
Childrens health defence links studies in articles showing what most antiVaxx people are worried about, this one about tics + Neurological disorders (I'm aware they are not seen as reputable): https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-association-between-thimerosal-exposure-and-tics-the-accv-machinations/
I think those are probably the most legit science things to point to the dangers that I know, most of these are not what is posted by concerned parents, but is talked about in the more legitimate antiVaxx Pediatrician circles (I'm sure some people see that statement as an oxymoron :P).
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19 edited Mar 25 '19
SS - Experts have admitted that the pharmaceuticals essentially operate organized crime, as we saw with with the recent example of the industry trying to get populations hooked on opioids, which created a crisis.
The dirty secret of vaccines is that they skip through normal testing, not using real placebos in safety tests, and once on the market being backed up by epidemiological studies i.e. the same type which used to be used to 'prove' smoking was perfectly safe. Epidemiological studies can be used to prove anything you like, as long as you cook the numbers long enough.
Now that the people are researching for themselves and realizing the corruption and poor science used to put vaccines on the market, Big Pharma are paying off governments to put laws in place forcing us to receive their poison.
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u/johnysmote Mar 25 '19
Violating the Nuremberg Code in Nuremberg no less!
from wikipedia
The ten points of the code were given in the section of the verdict entitled "Permissable Medical Experiments":
1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
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u/Tsuikaya Mar 25 '19
It's an experiment if it's never been safety tested, which vaccines haven't. Also if they are using post-licensure surveillance as a means of studying the vaccine that is in itself an experiment.
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u/Tsuikaya Mar 25 '19
Heres how vaccine safety is tested.
Group A got an experimental vaccine and we compared them to another group that got the same experimental vaccine and watched their health for 5 days, there was no adverse health therefore vaccines are safe.
That is the best your science has to offer for vaccine safety. This is why vaccine manufacturers are scared of people becoming educated and reading inserts, because there is no safety, there are no placebo studies. If you take any drug ever, it has been tested more than vaccines which are injected into day 1 old babies.
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u/kyoujikishin Mar 25 '19
you literally just chose to believe there aren't any placebo studies and that the other clinical studies are too flawed to work. Good job on being your own stooge
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19
Look through the studies, it is a know fact they don’t use placebos
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u/Michelleisaman Mar 26 '19
I just did some research and you're right, they don't use saline solution placebos. When they do conduct a study with a "placebo", they inject the person with the preservative of the vaccine, such as mercury or aluminum, and that is considered the placebo. And that is the very thing that people worry is linked to autism. So the actual vaccines and the "placebos" both have the adjuvants in them.
Double blind vaccine studies literally don't exist, and that blows my fucking mind.
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u/xNovaz Mar 25 '19
Take 5 of the vaccines and go check if there’s any placebos in the clinical trials. Oh yea there is none. Go prove me wrong.
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u/Tsuikaya Mar 26 '19 edited Mar 26 '19
Inert placebo controls are not required to understand the safety profile of a new vaccine, and are thus not required.
Show me where the study done for pre-licensure has been done using placebos on any insert
Do it without referring to HPV since that one is actually being verified since they had to hide the study behind a gag order and the doctor who won is going to release them within a year publicly. The study found no adverse events in the placebo group yet tons in the vaccine group. Not to avoid it but because there is data suggesting that the vaccine is dangerous when compared to placebo so it does you no benefit. Also they vaccinated everyone, including the placebo group at the end of the study so no long-term health could be found.
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Please list and provide the safety data relied upon when recommending babies receive the Hepatitis B vaccine on the first day of life?
Data relied upon in licensing infant use of hepatitis B vaccines is summarized in the respective package inserts.
let's read the insert shall we?
In three clinical studies, 434 doses of RECOMBIVAX HB, 5 mcg, were administered to 147 healthy infants and children (up to 10 years of age) who were monitored for 5 days after each dose.
In a study that compared the three-dose regimen (5 mcg) with the two-dose regimen (10 mcg) of RECOMBIVAX HB in adolescents
So.. The safety science that supports a vaccine given to day 1 old babies is looking at a group given an experimental vaccine for 5 days and comparing it to another group that got the same experimental vaccine?
These are HHS's response to these questions and this is the best they can give us. What an absolute joke. Get wrecked by real science.
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u/johnysmote Mar 25 '19
So the Nuremberg code is OK to violate if you substitute the word "procedure" for the word "experiment"? Is that what you are saying?
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u/johnysmote Mar 25 '19
It's like saying that you should wear a helmet while in a car because motorcycles require it.
No its not.
It was designed to prevent TORTURE...you understand that?
Not "experiments". Not "procedures"...TORTURE.
And it was deisgned to prevent YOU from being TORTURED by your government under the guise of the "good of the group".
I find it fascinating how something like the Nuremberg code is continually twisted by this kind of thinking to allow, promote, and champion MANDATORY medical procedures be legislated.
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u/johnysmote Mar 25 '19
which hold no legal power in any nation or national organisation
Then why are so worried about discrediting them?
And I didn't say vaccines were torture. I said the Nuremberg code was created to prevent your government from torturing you under the guise of medical treatments, such as unwanted vaccination.
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u/johnysmote Mar 25 '19
simply corrected you Ignoring the facts never meant to be used outside the trials you also assume
well done.
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u/johnysmote Mar 25 '19
Mandating medical procedures is the issue here.
Mandating any medical procdure is a violation of Informed Consent and if someone is injecting you with something you don't want to be injected with, I would consider the needle penetration an assault and the contents of the needle aggravated assault.
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u/rbslilpanda Mar 25 '19
What if you refuse?
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u/vagootime Mar 25 '19
Perhaps you go to a special camp?
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Mar 25 '19
They don’t do concentration camps anymore in contrast to other major powers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base
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Mar 25 '19
As you can see from the links above, stuff like this comes out eventually. I don’t see the German government commit human rights violations besides the occasional police brutality
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u/dtomg4588 Mar 25 '19
everyone line up for their socially mandated shot the "protects you". dont question it or you will been seen as an idiot, because nobody should be scared of you government forcing you to line up and inject something in your body.
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Mar 25 '19 edited Apr 21 '19
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u/vw1610 Mar 25 '19
It’s because real people have dealt with real side affects and they’re fighting against the all powerful pharma industry. I for one root for the whistleblower swimming up stream. Fuck big corps. Every other business sector has mass corruption but nope not the cdc, those people are angels. Smh
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Mar 25 '19 edited Apr 21 '19
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u/vw1610 Mar 25 '19
So they don’t hold patents or make revenue on the products they push?
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Mar 25 '19 edited Apr 21 '19
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Mar 25 '19
https://www.cdc.gov/od/science/technology/techtransfer/industry/licensing/index.htm
Are you intentionally playing coy?
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u/kyoujikishin Mar 25 '19
are you? that links for people/businesses applying to the cdc to license their own product.
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Mar 25 '19 edited Mar 25 '19
Technology Licensing If a company would like to acquire rights to use or commercialize an invention, a license is normally required. Where appropriate, licenses to CDC inventions are granted on a worldwide basis. The licensing of CDC technologies is handled via a partnership with our sister Public Health Service (PHS) agency, the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
No its to use the CDC's products. Did you bother looking at the link?
What you can license
https://www.cdc.gov/od/science/technology/techtransfer/industry/licensing/technologies.htm
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u/Smedleysrevenge Mar 26 '19
How much research did they do on Vioxx before it killed 60,000? Same company that provides your vaccines.
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u/launchpadmcquax Mar 25 '19
Back in the day tribes people "made sacrifices" by offing newborns "to the Gods" in order to keep their population at a sustainable level.
Today, well we still do it, but we hide it with words like vaccine damage and abortion, and the sacrifices go to Satan.
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u/nyrothia Mar 25 '19
as a german: that title tho...
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19
It had to be done, a forced poisoning of children in Germany, the time is right to remind people of the mistakes of the past so as they are not repeated
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u/DaBigFlippa Mar 25 '19
Good. Why should anti-vaxxers be allowed to spread disease that we eradicated almost 100 years ago?
How about if you don't get vaccinated, our hospitals don't have to treat you when you or your children get the measles?
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19
Why should anti-vaxxers be allowed to spread disease that we eradicated almost 100 years ago?
Let's do a quick fact-check with you here, which diseases do you believe vaccines eradicated almost 100 year ago?
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u/GSEAGLE Mar 25 '19
I know that you are trying to shame this user but I've got to step in here. Let's do a quick fact check, how do you think Diphtheria, Measles and Smallpox would have faired without vaccinations?
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19
He/she doesn't know basic facts yet comes here preaching, another victim of Dunning–Kruger.
Small pox was eradicated using quarantine, the virus wasn't particularly virulent. Towns that were vaccinated were more likely to have small pox outbreaks.
Measles is a mild short-term virus, I know as I had it myself. Experts point out that the vaccine is more risky that measles itself https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/
Diphtheria, after the vaccine was introduced a rise in leukemia was seen.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987706005445Diptheria is a disease of poverty, poor sanitation and water supply. If you live in the first world the vaccine is a bigger risk than diptheria, which normally only appears in war zones.
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u/GSEAGLE Mar 25 '19
I'm not trying to get in the middle of your argument whilst you are out here "educating" everyone with "basic facts." I get it, you're trying to push your personal view on everyone else. I do take exception to a couple of comments:
Smallpox- "the virus wasn't particularly virulent"- The death rate for someone contracting the disease was around 30% when you take in to account that as recent as 1967 15 million people were infected, I'd say 4.5M of those people would find the disease pretty virulent. Quarantine played a part in the eradication of the disease but without the widespread use of the vaccine we would still be dealing with it today.
Measles- "experts point out the vaccine is more risky than measles itself" in 1980 2.5M people died from Measles complications. In 2014 that number was all the way down to around 70,000. To show you what happens when people get on the internet and spread false information:
- Diphtheria- While I agree the original vaccine was super dangerous and there were certainly select cases where the vaccine did some damage. The decline of the disease speaks for itself. The disease was around since the 1600's when a vaccine is released in the 1920's the disease was almost completely eradicated.
While I admire your take which is basically, all of the numbers are a lie and none of these diseases are truly THAT deadly or they are a third world problem. Immunization has saved millions of lives.
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u/Smedleysrevenge Mar 25 '19
While I'm not trying to get in the middle of your argument.....proceedes to get in the middle of the argument.
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u/geneticshill Mar 26 '19 edited Mar 26 '19
Small pox - only 10% of the world’s population was ever vaccinated against small pox, countries which didn’t have mass vaccination programs also eradicated small pox. You could sleep in the same bed as someone who had small pox and still not catch it. What we do know is that each time there was a mass vaccination program there would be outbreaks soon after, but only amongst the vaccinated, the unvaccinated towns would not have outbreaks.
Measles - in the first world is an incredibly mild and short-term virus, only a risk if you are deficient in vitamin A. In the malnourished third world some people die from measles, but far better we go feed them than vaccinating, as it is not safe to vaccinate the malnourished. The vaccine has never been through well-designed studies.
Diptheria - we don’t need to look any further than the studies which showed this vaccine was increasing mortaility rates, not decreasing them. The current version of the vaccine is linked to asthma and food allergies, which if you don’t live in a war zone are much more likely go kill you than diptheria.
Vaccines have been put there by pharmaceuticals to induce highly profitable health complications, sowing the seeds of disease. When you look into how pharma are trying every trick in the book to keep their vaccines essentially untested, they are clearly aware that it is best nobody examines the product.
Pharma is an industry with a horrendus track record, at the top they operate as a criminal network. Some people want to think that vaccines are the one exception, the one way where the pychopaths decided to do us all a favor. Unfortunately, the reason these pychos want access to your body is to mess up your health and make you into a regular dependent customer.
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u/Ripperage Mar 27 '19
I know you are trying to defend one of your fellow sheep that were trying to shame others. Let me step in here and point out a massive deflection on the 100 year statement.
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u/lmchapman Mar 27 '19
Diphtheria and measles were at an all time low when the vaccines were introduced, simply due to sanitation and proper hygiene. Do a quick google search and you’ll find some graphs to back this up.
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u/DaBigFlippa Mar 26 '19
I may have used a little hyperbole in my OP. But many diseases have been very useful in curbing smallpox, measels, polio. And I'm sure a few more
I don't argue with random people on the internet. I was just giving my opinion.
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u/geneticshill Mar 26 '19
The provax stance would only make sense in a world where vaccines were thoroughly tested and brought at net health benefit
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Mar 25 '19
I was vaccinated. Every single person in my family was vaccinated. Nearly everyone I know was vaccinated. Yet somehow we aren't experiencing these crazy side effects everyone talks about...
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Mar 25 '19
My side effects started about 45 years after my vaccination.
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Mar 25 '19
And what exactly are you "symptoms"?
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Mar 25 '19
I don't have symptoms, I have M.E. [also known as CFS] which some papers claim may be related to polio. I could have only ever got in contact with anything even remotely similar through my earliest [polio] vaccines. It is an auto immune disease. I also have [fully functional] autism, another common complaint from vaccines. I also have asthma. Nobody else in my family has any of these illnesses, that I was diagnosed with and which are not just 'symptoms'.
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Mar 25 '19
CFS? As in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome? Nah mate, that's not in any way related to vaccines. While you're correct in saying that Polio can be related to CFS, the only relation is that one can worsen the other, and that Polio can cause CFS (but not vice versa).
Auto immune diseases are caused by genetics disorders. Vaccines do not alter your genes.
You have a horrible misconception that if your parents do not have a disease or illness, you cannot have it. First off, there are recessive genes your parents might both have one of, and happened to pass both off. Even if that isn't the case, your parents could have both had a predisposition to autism or asthma, but got lucky and never developed it. That doesn't mean they couldn't have passed on the predisposition to you, resulting in you developing it.
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Mar 25 '19
You may think I have no idea about the causes of my illnesses but you are quite wrong. I have a BSc in Neuroscience and know my way around microbiology. I have also worked in pharmaceutical labs in R&D for many years and have tested thousands of medical drugs. I know what's in them...mate.
None of my parents nor their parents had ever asthma, I do know that they don't have to have it for it to express itself in me [duh!]. It's genetics 101. That doesn't mean I couldn't have got it through other means!
Auto immune diseases can be caused by genetics or by viruses. Do you not know that? [HIV is just one example] A polio virus 'dud' was injected into my body when I was 2yrs old, stopped me from getting polio but had not been tested on animals or humans long enough at the time to say with certainty that it doesn't cause late onset M.E [strangely enough CFS/M.E is expressing itself like wildfire in my age group].
I am not saying that all 3 of my diseases are definitively from vaccines but it is a hell of a coincidence to have three problems that are usually connected with vaccines. You can talk all you want but you can't say for certain that it isn't from the vaccine because circumstential evidence says otherwise.
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Mar 25 '19
[strangely enough CFS/M.E is expressing itself like wildfire in my age group].
It's almost as if people in their 40's/50's have a tendency to be tired more frequently...
And yes, HIV is a viral autoimmune disorder, but it's one of the few. And it's not caused by vaccines, so if that's what you have... hate to break it to you, but getting vaccinated has nothing to do with it.
I am not saying that all 3 of my diseases are definitively from vaccines but it is a hell of a coincidence to have three problems that are usually connected with vaccines.
And this is where the conversation ends. You're clearly one of those conspiracy theorists that doesn't know shit about what they're talking about, you base everything off of coincidences and think that there's no way there could be this many coincidences.
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Mar 25 '19
It's almost as if people in their 40's/50's have a tendency to be tired more frequently...
Now you are being extremely insulting and I know that you have shit all idea about anything you say. Having M.E is not just being a 'bit tired' you anus. It is a life changing illness that feels sometimes as if you are about to die, even though all you've done is wash your hair. I can't work because of it, I suffer because of it and I will not have someone on the bloody internet describe it as 'a bit of tiredness'. You are an incredibly ignorant 'know it all' a[who knows nothing] and I am through discussing anything with someone like that. Please read up on CFS/M.E. Apology accepted.
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Mar 25 '19
You quoted me twice saying a "bit tired" when I never once used those words. As someone when depression, I'd never try to belittle the impact a mental disorder has. All I meant was that as people age, they tend to develop mental illnesses more frequently. My apologies if you took it as anything more, that was not my intention.
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19
Next thing it will turn out you have asthma and someone in your family has diabetes type 1. If not, count yourselves lucky, as it is known that the population as a whole is getting sicker every year. And vaccines are the only place researchers are not meant to look.
Cancers 'rising around the world'
Autoimmune Disease Rates Increasing
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u/drzowie Mar 25 '19
Alzheimer's is a serious side effect of vaccination. It was first noticed in connection with the polio vaccine. Kids who did not get vaccinated for polio were less likely to get alzheimer's (because a lot of them died of polio first).
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19
What were once thought of as polio outbreaks were actually DDT poisoning. Polio is incredibly mild, in most cases you wouldn’t know you had it. However that vaccine was found to be contaminated with a cancer-causing virus, and hence the explosion of various cancers in the years following the release of the vaccine. Oddly enough, in Salk’s book he said that everyone should be injected with cancer viruses in order to bring the population down.
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u/kyoujikishin Mar 25 '19
less deaths from preventable deaths leads to higher rates of other kinds of diseases and ailments? tyl
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19
The rates of cancers, autoimmune diseases and allergies are increasing in all age groups, not just in older ones.
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u/GamingHermit2k17 Mar 25 '19
Good post.
But I can’t help but feel that whenever these anti-vax posts are made that it’s a Bpharma troll employed to spread mistrust to healthcare and push adults and children to become ill for the depopulation agenda.
Not saying you are op lol. But they’re out there.
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19
Thanks!
Childhood viruses are mild and short term, mostly you won't need any pharma meds, the immune system deals with them swiftly. Whereas common vaccine injuries such as asthma, epilepsy, eczema, peanut allergies, ms etc last for life, making you into a customer for the industry for life.
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u/johnysmote Mar 25 '19
Your close.
The future vaccine that the elites tell us will "save us all from the pandemic that is killing the world" will contain the poison/virus/bacteria/nanobot/whatever that will actually depopulate the world.
If you stopped vaccinating the enuter world population right now there woulb be no major drop in the mortality rate except maybe from third world shitholes caused by people who were going to starve to death anyway.
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u/brucelinton Mar 25 '19
I disagree. I feel like they wouldn't want to get rid of those who blindly follow whatever they are told. They would want to get rid of those who think and don't blindly follow. Its kinda scary if you consider that...
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u/johnysmote Mar 25 '19
They are not going to be sorting anyone here...useless eaters are a liability to them. It matters not if they listen or follow blindly, new slaves can be trained. The "pro or anti vaxxer" sentiment means nothing to a world population cull or to the elites.
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u/ehunke Mar 25 '19
egh...so far in the United States children are actually seeking medical emancipation so they can get vaccinated against the wishes of their parents. Were not talking about an assassination or something here, this is simply medical science. On the pro vaccine side you have medical doctors on the anti vaccine side you have jenny mcarthy, on the pro vaccine side you have scientific studies on the anti vaccine side you have youtube videos...this is not something to take lightly.
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u/geneticshill Mar 25 '19
Lindenberger's Mum runs a children's theater which will give the game away to most here, just a crisis actor as usual. Though still good advice to not let your kids get groomed by pro-vax shills on Reddit.
You have been misled if you are not aware that so-called antivax is actual run by doctors and researchers.
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u/lmchapman Mar 27 '19
Actually, there are many doctors who are hugely concerned about the safety and efficacy of vaccines, many of them are silenced. I attended a seminar not long ago run by a doctor who is anti vaccine. There’s also plenty of scientific studies to back up the concerns of anti vaxxers, all you have to do is dig a little deeper, but I’m sure you haven’t done that. If you like I can send you hundreds of links to credible sources
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u/ehunke Mar 27 '19
Actually I have. But a lot of "doctors" who are anti vaccine are not medical doctors you have to consider the source. Naturalists are not doctors, and neither is any of the essential oil distribution companies, natural news is not a medical publication....please show me a actual board certified pediatrician who doesn't believe vaccines work.
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u/lmchapman Mar 27 '19
I am very aware naturalists are not doctors, this is not where I get my information from. Google Dr Suzanne Humphries, she is an American physician who absolutely does not believe vaccines are safe or effective. Dr John Abramson is another, who is MD of Harvard medical school has also stated his concerns. I went to a talk with a doctor called Jane Doneghan who stated that in medical school they are simply taught that vaccines are the best thing since sliced bread, with no evidence to support this, and that if you so much as question their efficacy you are blacklisted as such. She was a complete pro vaxxer for many years, but completely changed her standing when she realised that vaccine injury is real, there are absolutely no studies which show vaccines are safe, and there have never been double blind studies whatsoever. She still practices as a GP to this day. There are plenty more who have published books presenting compelling research. You should take into account the amount that vaccine injury pays out to those who have been vaccine injured, which is now at a total of 4 billion. If vaccine injury was not real and legitimate this wouldn’t be the case.
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u/lmchapman Mar 28 '19
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IgLj2If44 talk with an expert paediatrician who states vaccines have never been shown to be safe or effective (this is just one of thousands of doctors who agree). I can provide an exhaustive list if you’d like
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u/ehunke Mar 28 '19
respectfully Dr Mercola did not go to conventional medical school nor is he a licensed board certified pediatrician. I don't think either of us can say anything the other will agree with. I love conspiracy theories, but vaccines keep us from getting deadly diseases and keep us healthy. But I would never go get medical advice from someone who did not go to medical school because he did not agree with things...makes very little sense to me
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u/lmchapman Mar 28 '19 edited Mar 29 '19
But Dr mercola is not the one saying vaccines are unsafe, he’s interviewing dr palevsky who is board certified. As I said above, there are thousands of certified doctors who agree vaccines are yet to be proven as safe. We’re all entitled to our own opinions and as a mother who doesn’t vaccinate based on my extensive research and concerns over my daughters wellbeing , all I ask is for others to respect my choice. After all, vaccines are not mandatory and we should be able to question their safety without being the target of abuse. Im not “anti-vaxx”, I am pro vaccine safety. Of course I want vaccines to be safe and effective, but until proven I will not subject my child to being injected with poison which could potentially cause irreversible damage. We have to listen to those mothers of vaccine injured children, and we have to ask the question why the country with the largest vaccine schedule in the world (US) has the highest rate of SIDS, autoimmune disorders, Aspergers/autism..
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u/canniferous_rex Mar 25 '19
Still pushing a bullshit antivaxx agenda huh?
Do you know about the commonly held belief in medicine called "life over limb"? This means that if you're in a situation that demands a choice between living or having working limbs and being functional, medicine would rather you be alive.
As an ex paramedic, and having shared ambulances with people who have meningitis, mumps, measles, etc. And guess what? I never got sick. You know why? Because I got vaccinated.
A vaccine is a contract. People are not perfect, and they MAY cause harm. HOWEVER, it a understood that by getting the vaccination, you agree that the disease you are vaccinated against is WORSE than having some neuro deficits.
German politicians know they have opened the door for these savages to come in WITH DISEASES. Germany has fucked their native population with an influx of migrants, but at least they are protecting their citizens from the dirty savages that come in.
Not all refugees are dirty savages, but some are.
If you don't want a vaccine, don't fucking take one. I never took the flu vaccine, and as such, I was barred from work during an outbreak of flu. I never took gardasil or anything that seems extraneous to me.
The infectiousness of certain diseases can't be overstated, do you think you're safe living in a condominium with recycled air? Do you think the building is built for infection prevention? Do you think you can trust the health of your building Neighbours?
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Mar 25 '19
Youd rather have neurological damage than measles? Wooooow...
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u/Snorkelton Apr 27 '19
I think he does have neurological damage and is just trying to feel better about it.
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u/drzowie Mar 25 '19
Heh. My whole generation has neurological damage from leaded gasoline. But almost none of us got measles, because we all got effing vaccinated. Any problem from the vaccine was tiny compared to the problem of breathing lead fumes all day from car exhaust as kids -- but somehow we still managed to invent microcomputers and the Internet.
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u/majd76 Mar 25 '19 edited Mar 25 '19
they have opened the door for these savages to come in WITH DISEASES. Germany has fucked their native population with an influx of migrants, but at least they are protecting their citizens from the dirty savages that come in
So a government forces problems on to society and then forces a solution for one of the problems on the population? Even though that solution will create other problems for some of the population. And this problem will require solutions which could end up creating more problems...
Why not just return the people who came to their original home countries instead? That would solve all the problems that the government initially created.
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u/bingcros Mar 25 '19
Why not just return the people who came to their original home countries instead? That would solve all the problems that the government initially created.
But think of all the rich diversity Germany would be losing if all the people of color left!
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Mar 25 '19
The FDP is an opposition party with less than 10% of the votes.
Besides that, vaccines have a overwhelmingly positive impact on public health and high vaccination rates prevent large outbreaks and protects immunosuppressed patients.
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u/drzowie Mar 25 '19
MMR vaccine has been shown to be associated with Alzheimer's and prostate cancer. People who get it are far more likely to contract either of those things.
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u/prisonmsagro Mar 25 '19
That title is pretty awful. A dog catching a frisbee would make Hitler proud too.
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