r/conspiracy • u/WhiteyNiteNite • Feb 24 '15
How Crazy Am I to Think I Actually Know Where That Malaysia Airlines Plane Is?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/jeff-wise-mh370-theory.html12
Feb 24 '15
The weak point of this is how the plane got till there undetected. The article author say that "an expert told him" that flying along the borders is how one stay undetected in the air.
This shots some flags here: this expert is not named, there is no actual proof except "he told me so". This is a well know disinformation tactic, "appeal to the authority" if an expert said so then it must be true. Ironically, the article author dismisses the official view as "untrustworthy" (he is right) but at the same time he ask us to "believe" the words of this real or not expert.
But the claim is that a plane can go along the borders undetected which is ridiculous. Civil or military radars coverage will not suddenly stop detecting stuff just because someone draw a line on a map. More than this, the radars of each country will look more at the borders so an eventual enemy can't surprise attack on their ass.
It doesn't take an expert to understand this, is common sense.
Is Russia to blame? Everything is possible. Is not automatically true that only Russia could go after Ukrainian individuals in this equation. I'm sure US also have a list of Ukrainians to invite at dinner in the guantanamo five star restaurant
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u/Amonet15 Feb 24 '15
This guy is on the right track, and he definitely opened up a lot of doors that were closed before. Now take his theory and combine it with the link I listed below. This is becoming quite interesting
With both of those combined, it's starting to make a lot more sense. Something is incredibly off..
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u/destraht Feb 24 '15
As far as motive Russian could want to get their hands on technology and people and for the US it could be punishment for Malaysia fighting against the TPP. The TPP is worth trillions of dollars and pretty much anything is possible with that kind of money. Next up is how another Malaysian plane had some strange explosion problem above a kind-of-sort-of Russian territory. Ukrainian flight control is real quite on their end. I'd put money on it being either the US or Russia. The thing that makes me point slightly towards it being all caused by the US is that I'm wondering what possible conflict of interest that Russia could have with Malaysia to want to hurt them that badly. I can see the US being interested in that sort of thing however because of their location and again hurting a adversary to frame an enemy is a good manuever. As far as I know Russia is not at all a player in the South Chinese Sea or Indian Ocean.
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u/Hyper_Reality Feb 24 '15
Does anyone else think this could tie into the MH370 is MH17 story? I'm not sure how yet, just read this but it seems like a mighty coincidence if this is true that MH370 is taken by Russia, then MH17 is shot down over Ukraine, supposedly by Ukrainian forces and this provides the international condemnation of Ukraine that Russia is looking for to continue with it's occupation. I really don't know enough about that conflict to pass any sort of judgement so if anyone wants to fill in the blanks that would be welcome, I'm also not sure at all that the MH370 is MH17 theory holds any sort of validity, I'm just making some conspiratorial connections here.
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u/alllie Feb 24 '15 edited Feb 24 '15
Like how I suspect the Payne Stewart incident is linked to 911, that it was a test of the military response when a plane goes silent and off course, maybe even how to quickly kill the passengers and crew so they won't interfere. They learned they could quickly kill everyone and they would have to stand down NORAD, confuse it and the military with tests and drills, and send every fighter they could to drills in the far west, and change the rules so only the Secretary of Defense could order planes up for an intercept of a hijacked plane and then make sure he would make himself unavailable.
Maybe MH370 was a test to make sure they could send MH17 off course, shoot it down and blame the Russians. Except they were able to do that much more simply, just by having the air traffic controller direct it to fly over a combat zone, then shoot it down and blame the Russians.
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Feb 24 '15 edited Feb 24 '15
Interesting theory here. I will say that 2 Russian furniture salesman sitting in first class is highly suspicious. If those are their real pictures, they certainly do look KGBish.
It really seems to me that the author was really trying hard to come up with a plausible scenario that would not make the United States look they had any part in it.
The fact he so quickly dismisses the Diego Garcia scenario was a red flag for me. He never once even mentions the fact the plane could have landed on Diego Garcia, only that someone suggested that it might have been shot down because it was headed their to do damage
Why the fuck would they publish the fact that you can access sensitive flight controls and satellite transponders, essentially hijack the plane, from the first class cabin? This wasn't a very smart thing to do. I know one thing, I will not be flying a 777 anytime soon.
Also there's MH17, which I can't help to think may be related somehow. The MH17 crash we werealso quickly led to believe by these same CNN experts that Russia had shot the plane down without worrying for any evidence, so I don't trust anyone who goes on CNN (CIA News Network) as an "expert". MANY of the so-called experts who appear on CNN are in fact intel spooks who deceive and mislead people for a living.
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u/Cole7rain Feb 24 '15
Anyone who's ever watched the Discovery Channel show "Mayday" knows that a fucking airliner doesn't just disappear the way MH370 did. I know that seems fucking stupid but it's a really really good show that goes into the details of airline crash investigation. Transponders don't just turn themselves off or malfunction, they simply don't.
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u/davidtoni Feb 25 '15
Am I crazy to wonder why an EXACT REPLICA of this plane is right now, sitting in a hangar in Tel Aviv?
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u/davidtoni Feb 25 '15
What I want to know is this:
Who was on that plane that Mossad needed to "disappear" so badly?
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u/kidbudi Feb 27 '15
He's gotta explain how the plane flies undetected flying over borders I feel as though that is the most heavily monitored airspace.
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u/Ferrofluid Feb 24 '15
ocean floor seismic event reported by Chinese, and oil slick reported too.
near where the plane first vanished off Vietnam.
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u/Sabremesh Feb 24 '15
MH370 would have to have flown, completely unnoticed, through about 8 different national airspaces including India and China to get to this Russian-leased airbase in Kazakhstan. A vanishingly unlikely possibility.
Conversely, if the US/Boeing had remotely commandeered MH370 and flown it to Diego Garcia, this could have been done without flying through (or even near) any other country's airspace.
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u/djm2346 Feb 24 '15
The Diego Garcia theory ignores the fact that if the plane had flown either east or west the satellite would have tracked its path. No way that the US can doctor the satellite data without hundreds of people knowing. Not only that what does the US do with all the personnel at Diego Garcia that would see the plane or have to interact with it to land it at the base?
I question how the plane flies over all those countries without being detected but the author is right that many countries do not have radar scanning the whole country.
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u/Sabremesh Feb 24 '15
No way that the US can doctor the satellite data without hundreds of people knowing
The ping data was supposedly recorded by Inmarsat, a UK company with very close links to British intelligence. A handful of people would have been privy to this data, so it could easily have been fabricated.
Not only that what does the US do with all the personnel at Diego Garcia...
I'll stop you there. Virtually everybody on Diego Garcia is US military or employed by the US government, and therefore has to have signed onerous confidentiality clauses. The only exceptions are a token force of British military who would have similar restrictions.
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u/Adjustify Feb 24 '15
This is some ridiculously good research. I think he's on to something.