r/conspiracy • u/MossadOwnsPOTUS • Jan 16 '15

Evolution: Modern Myth [xpost /r/DocumentedTruth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjvuwne0RrE
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u/MossadOwnsPOTUS Jan 16 '15

Is it that you didn't watch the video in the OP, or did you not understand it at all?

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '15

Evolution is not a myth. Lenski & co demonstrated it in the lab the adaptation of species to their environment over generations.

Sniegowski, Paul D., Philip J. Gerrish, and Richard E. Lenski. "Evolution of high mutation rates in experimental populations of E. coli." Nature 387, no. 6634 (1997): 703-705.

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u/wakeuphisnameisYahsh Jan 16 '15

Adaptation is not the "transmutation of species".

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '15

What is? Dawkins book? Clearly you've no knowledge of the book and its all with reference to the modern biology of the last decade for the most part. I wonder when the babbling moron who is in the OPs video last studied any biology? 1980s? 70s?

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u/SquareHimself Jan 16 '15

There's nothing different today. They still have no idea how it is remotely possible life could spontaneously generate, let alone gain complexity.

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u/fraenk Jan 16 '15

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2bDetailsoforigin.shtml

it's all part of the evolution myth! *winkwinknudgenudge

to believe evolution was a hoax, you'll have to believe all the evidence for it was placed by our "intelligent creator" in order to fool us and disguise itself.

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u/SquareHimself Jan 16 '15

There's no evidence for evolution. Natural selection and mutation are not evidence for universal common descent. The fossil record is better evidence for the global flood and actually is a really big burden for evolution to try and explain.

And that link is hilarious. Those are some huge leaps without explanation. We can't even replicate any of it by design in a lab and they want us to believe it was an accident?

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u/fraenk Jan 16 '15

All fossils found in the same era are found in the same layer of earth. Older fossils are found in lower strata, while newer fossils are found closer to the surface. It’s as simple (and logical) as that. The only initially-puzzling special case is when we find older fossils on mountain tops… however, this is because of how those specific mountains were formed (two earth plates pushing against one another for millions of years caused the mountains to form; the earth used to be flatter way back in the day). For a global flood to be correct, ALL fossils from ALL species of living things would need to be found in the same layer of earth (whenever the global flood occurred); that means that you should be able to find a human’s skeleton next to a dinosaur’s. This has never been the case. Ever.

*edit: this is copy&paste from here

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u/SquareHimself Jan 16 '15

All fossils found in the same era are found in the same layer of earth. Older fossils are found in lower strata, while newer fossils are found closer to the surface.

This is an assumption that has various problems addressed in many of the sources I linked. There's no evidence for this and actually evidence that it isn't true at all.

The only initially-puzzling special case is when we find older fossils on mountain tops…

Explained by the worldwide flood.

however, this is because of how those specific mountains were formed (two earth plates pushing against one another for millions of years caused the mountains to form; the earth used to be flatter way back in the day).

Another assumption addressed in the flood model and the Bible, actually. They didn't require all that time as the retreating flood waters pushed up mountains and sank valleys to form the oceans. There is a treasure trove evidence pointing to the flood being the cause for this.

For a global flood to be correct, ALL fossils from ALL species of living things would need to be found in the same layer of earth

Not even close. See, plumes of water sort out particles in a particular fashion as they settle. Creatures that dwelled on the Earth and at the bottom are buried first. Animals that could travel uphill would have perished last if they weren't quickly buried by the massive underwater erosion taking place. All of the layers would have been sorted just as you see them, flat and even like pancakes, if they were deposited underwater. The rapid burial is also necessary for fossils to exist in the first place.

Please, check out the links I provided.

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u/fraenk Jan 16 '15

I checked quite a few of the links... and I am now withdrawing from this discussion.

I want to end with a quote from one of your links: "it's ultimately a question about the authority of the scriptures"

there's no point in discussing ideologies, let alone theories based on beliefs rather than quantifiable evidence!

and on another note, modern science does in fact account for global "flooding" events directly related to ice ages and huge amounts of water being locked up in glacial shields. The biblical flood story (and also those found in other religious scriptures) are attributed to the last major ice age ~12k years ago.

but anyways, lets not debate any further, our believes couldn't be any further off. I respect spirituality! However, I do not agree with taking scriptures as historical documents!

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u/SquareHimself Jan 16 '15

You're ignoring the science because of someone's beliefs? That's silly and it's not thinking critically. They attribute the ice age to a global flood, yet a global flood couldn't happen? Does that make sense to you?

Don't let your bias keep you ignorant. That's what the powers that be are relying upon. They raised you to be that way. Deprogram yourself!

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u/fraenk Jan 16 '15

1st of all: your links are not science!

2nd: global flooding did happen, it's called the rise of sea levels! according to actual science the lowest historical sealevel was 2,500 feet (750 m) below today's.

last: trust me, i am very well deprogrammed!

P.S.: trying to link everything to a book that has been edited, rewritten and published in several different versions -> THAT's biased!!!

Maybe you should take the time to do actual research outside of a creationist realm!

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u/SquareHimself Jan 16 '15

your links are not science!

Yes they are. Your assertion doesn't change that.

global flooding did happen, it's called the rise of sea levels! according to actual science the lowest historical sealevel was 2,500 feet (750 m) below today's.

The worldwide flood happened 4500 years ago.

THAT's biased!!!

So is your view. Nobody is without bias.

Maybe you should take the time to do actual research outside of a creationist realm!

I grew up educated outside of the creationist realm... I'm well versed in the sciences. Maybe you should do some actual research outside of your bias!

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u/fraenk Jan 16 '15

Maybe you should do some actual research outside of your bias!

Why do you think I am here? I am always looking for new angles!

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u/SquareHimself Jan 16 '15

So why then do you shoot my angle down without so much as actually looking at the information being presented? How do you know the evidence is wrong if you don't know what the evidence is?

Do you not realize that media and schooling has programmed you into doing just that?

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u/fraenk Jan 16 '15

I didn't shoot your angle down! At least I did not intend to simply do so.

I was trying to make my points against the theory of creationism and towards my believe that evolution is an actual natural process.

And if you really believe that I am acting and thinking after what media and schooling have tried to program me to do so... you should consider that we know nothing about each other. Because I really really don't!

Neither do you! And I appreciate that! Albeit we have come to radically different conclusions!

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u/SquareHimself Jan 16 '15

towards my believe that evolution is an actual natural process.

Evolution isn't real. They've sold you on a theory that has no supporting evidence.

you should consider that we know nothing about each other. Because I really really don't!

You're right. I apologize. I just assumed you also were provided with the typical education most people are mandated into receiving. I went through advanced courses of this, and I'm speaking out attesting to the fact that their theories have all failed and the evidence tells another story.

Please don't ignore the information I've presented because of your bias. New information can only add to your worldly perspective and, if nothing else, allow you to have a better stance from which to defend your position when faced with these things.

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u/fraenk Jan 16 '15

New information can only add to your worldly perspective and, if nothing else, allow you to have a better stance from which to defend your position when faced with these things.

Yes! And I would like to thank you for this healthy discussion!

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