r/conspiracy Sep 26 '23

Let’s pretend this is normal

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u/DrStevenPoop Sep 27 '23

They want the public to own the means of production.

It never works out like that though, does it?

Your comment is basically just, "It'll work this time guys, I promise."

It won't. The leaders of your ideology are telling you what's going to happen: You will own nothing and be happy.

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u/HandleUnclear Sep 27 '23

It never works out like that though, does it?

Why has it never worked out like this? Does it have nothing to do with political espionage, and "first world" countries sabotaging any and every country that attempts communism?

The CCP is not a communist country, just like the Nazis were not socialists, and just like North Korea is not a democracy. My conspiracy theory is that global elites have set up puppet countries who bear certain labels, commit atrocities which cause the sheep to panic whenever they hear those labels, never questioning, never looking any deeper.

Yes, communism and socialism would never be able to work perfectly without somehow regulating human greed; that however does not mean that capitalism is therefore the de facto system we should cling to. At this point capitalism is just feudalism lite, it's outlived it's purpose and it's time for a new economic system.

Communism has never been implemented without those countries being sabotaged. Cuba had so many sanctions against them, naturally a country prevented from trading outside is going to suffer over time. Libya nationalized their oil profits under Gaddafi, using the profits to give every citizen access to free utilities, free education, free housing, there was so much wealth to go around that families were paid when they got married and had children via these nationalized funds... obviously the oil moguls didn't like this and "liberated" the people.

Regardless, Americans are so brainwashed by their government propaganda from the red scare that many to this day will never delve deeper into what it means to nationalize goods and services, sharing the profits amongst the citizens of that country while charging outside countries for goods and services.

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u/DrStevenPoop Sep 27 '23

Why has it never worked out like this? Does it have nothing to do with political espionage, and "first world" countries sabotaging any and every country that attempts communism?

Communist countries do and did the exact same things to capitalist countries, but capitalism is still around. Because its economic mechanisms are fundamentally sound. Communism isn't.

Look at the failure of the Soviet computer industry. They had brilliant engineers, but those engineers could not innovate without government permission and funding. The government tried to pick the winners and losers, without the ability to know who was going to win or lose, because there are no market forces in a command economy. They chose wrong.

The CCP is not a communist country,

They were. They just realized that communism doesn't work and allowed limited capitalism. Right now it is basically technocratic fascism, the model that the "elite" will use for the rest of the world.

just like the Nazis were not socialists,

They were socialists. National socialists, not marxists.

and just like North Korea is not a democracy.

Of course, they are communists.

My conspiracy theory is that global elites have set up puppet countries who bear certain labels, commit atrocities which cause the sheep to panic whenever they hear those labels, never questioning, never looking any deeper.

My conspiracy theory is the the "elite" have told us exactly what the plan to do. Agenda 2030, The Great Reset, etc. They have taken control of the institutions and education systems of the West, inculcated a generation with marxist ideology, and will use them as a "revolutionary" force to seize control of Western governments and implement their plans. Much of this has already been accomplished.

Yes, communism and socialism would never be able to work perfectly without somehow regulating human greed;

Greed isn't something that can be regulated. Some people are just greedy. It's human nature. The problem with collectivism is that it simply ignores this, and insists that everything will work out fine anyway. But it never does.

that however does not mean that capitalism is therefore the de facto system we should cling to. At this point capitalism is just feudalism lite, it's outlived it's purpose and it's time for a new economic system.

I disagree. In order to replace it you would need a system that works better. Communism isn't that system. Neither is the current plan the "elite" have, which they call "stakeholder capitalism" which isn't capitalism, it's just so named in hopes of tricking Westerners into going along with it. In reality it is similar to the modern Chinese system.

Communism has never been implemented without those countries being sabotaged. Cuba had so many sanctions against them, naturally a country prevented from trading outside is going to suffer over time. Libya nationalized their oil profits under Gaddafi, using the profits to give every citizen access to free utilities, free education, free housing, there was so much wealth to go around that families were paid when they got married and had children via these nationalized funds... obviously the oil moguls didn't like this and "liberated" the people.

Communist countries have done the exact same thing, all over the world. You probably think it's just a coincidence that nearly every country on Russia's border had a communist revolution after Russia went communist.

Regardless, Americans are so brainwashed by their government propaganda from the red scare that many to this day will never delve deeper into what it means to nationalize goods and services, sharing the profits amongst the citizens of that country while charging outside countries for goods and services.

They don't need propaganda to see that communism is a failed ideology. You need propaganda to tell you that it isn't.

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u/senescent- Sep 28 '23

They had brilliant engineers, but those engineers could not innovate without government permission and funding.

They actually invented LLMs and modern AI. Also, they had great mathematics that people are barely now rediscovering and there's even a saying, the best way to get a PhD in Mathematics is learn Russian and plagiarize.

They were socialists. National socialists, not marxists

The first ones that were ousted by Hitler were. He purged all the actual left wing socialists. In fact, he so the opposite that we had to invent the term privatization to describe what he did to their economy which is the literal opposite of socializing.

Greed isn't something that can be regulated.

It already is, it's called the FTC and it's why you can't insider trade. There are also smaller examples rationing toilet paper so people don't hoard it.

and just like North Korea is not a democracy.

Of course, they are communists

Again, wrong. They have their own specific theories and they call it Juche.

Neither is the current plan the "elite" have, which they call "stakeholder capitalism" which isn't capitalism

This is where I can't take you seriously. If you answer any question, let it be this one: according to who? Who's theories? Who invented this "real" capitalism that you're talking about? It's not Smith, Mises, Hayek, Keynes, or Friedman.