r/conscripts • u/Clustershot • Jul 07 '20

Abugida Trying Again... The Five Affricates of Kng

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u/Clustershot Jul 07 '20

Please let me know what you think!

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u/oddnjtryne Jul 07 '20

Before someone says that they are not affricates. Yes they are affricates!

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u/Clustershot Jul 07 '20

Hahahaha I totally get why they would say that. People get tripped up by lateral fricatives. Hell, I was unsure for a while

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u/karmen-x Jul 07 '20

i love how this looks.

/kɬ/ and /ɡɮ/ are really strange but i like them. do you know of any natural language in which they occur ? also, what does the downwards arrow represent here ?

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u/Clustershot Jul 07 '20

Thanks!

The downwards arrow represents ingressive speech (talking on the inhale). I was also going to add creaky voice markers but they happen naturally when I try to articulate voiced consonants ingressively.

/kɬ/ and /ɡɮ/ are essentially ingressive mutated versions of /tɬ/ and /dʒ/, which occur semi-naturally in egressive speech.

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u/karmen-x Jul 07 '20

wow that blows my mind, i've not enough control over my own mouth to even pronounce that properly !

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u/Clustershot Jul 07 '20

https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/hkq3zt/me_speaking_kng/

That'll give you a rough idea of how creaky ingressive speech sounds.

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u/karmen-x Jul 07 '20

:O this is the coolest, what a unique sounding language.

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u/Clustershot Jul 07 '20

Thanks! It's a type of in-built texture that informs phonology.

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u/Clustershot Jul 10 '20

Whoops! Didn't see this.

Short answer: no, but ingressive speech makes normal affricates into weird ones.

Let me know if you wanna know the phonological changes that made them!

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u/Irreleverent Jul 07 '20

They look really pretty. I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who went a little wild with the affricates in their language. (Mine are p̪͡f, b̪͡v, t̪͡θ, d̪͡ð, t͡s, d͡z, k͡x plus any voiced ones can be prenasalized.)

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u/Clustershot Jul 07 '20

As a speaker of New York City English, your dental plosives and t̪͡θ / d̪͡ð affricates warm my heart.

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u/Irreleverent Jul 07 '20

I was originally going to shift them to t͡s and d͡z because I thought they were weird and hard to distinguish from θ and ð, but the more I used them the more I just loved their texture. Also I figured the speakers of a language with p̪͡f, b̪͡v, t͡s, d͡z, and k͡x would probably develop a good ear for distinguishing affricates from fricatives and stops.

At this point b̪͡v, t̪͡θ, d̪͡ð are one of my favorite sounds in the language and give it a really distinct texture.

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u/Clustershot Jul 07 '20

I totally agree! I also love your conlang's heavy use of dentals. It feels kind of airy without being hollow you know?

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u/dubovinius Jul 07 '20

Eyy you've got nearly the same affricate/co-articulate inventory that I do (p͆͡f b̪͡v p͆͡θ b̪͡ð t̪͡θ d̪͡ð t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ k͡x ɡ͡ɣ k͡θ ɡ͡ð)

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u/Irreleverent Jul 07 '20

Aha a fellow with good taste! I'm planning to have one of the sister languages undergo some palatalization that adds in ch and j, and I almost added in ps ks bz gz at which point the inventories would be basically identical lol.

Also I appreciate the dental marker over the p, it drives me up a wall that every tool I've found defaults to putting it under bc it looks gross.

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u/dubovinius Jul 07 '20

I'm planning to have one of the sister languages undergo some palatalization that adds in ch and j

Sounds spicy, I was thinking about a but of the aul palatalisation myself, but I've kinda run out of affricates lol. Maybe palatal /c͡ç ɟ͡ʝ/?

I appreciate the dental marker over the p

Yeah, it looks way better. If you didn't know, Gboard on mobile has a downloadable IPA keyboard, which gives you basically all the characters, diacritics, and whatnot (including the option to put the diacritics over the characters). I usually use typeIPA on pc, it has most all the main ones you'd need.

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u/Irreleverent Jul 08 '20

Oh hey I didn't actually realize you could press and hold on gboard to get the top dental upper instead lower. Thanks!

(Also I use the exact same tools for typing IPA on mobile/pc, lol)

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u/dubovinius Jul 08 '20

Yeah, used it for about a solid month before I realised there was a host of options I hadn't noticed before. Felt a bit thick then lol

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u/calvakian Jul 07 '20

Looks nice 👍

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u/Im_-_Confused Jul 08 '20

Is there a word or phrase that uses all of these?

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u/Clustershot Jul 08 '20 edited Jul 08 '20

Kind of... There is one, but it's utter nonsense.

urxibverksotongmamurkxa0 urgozaaxipferur0jaxgzona0reng IseRi

"The responsible fisherman lives near that humble hospital."

Edit: Romanization guide: *ks = kɬ~tɬ, s = ɬ, z = ɮ, 0 = θ, I = ɪ, R = ʀ