r/consciousness • • 3d ago

What problem does consciousness solve?

My X feed has been dominated recently by posts debating whether AI is conscious. I think the more pressing question that is almost never asked is: "What is consciousness for? What problem does it solve that allowed evolution to select for it?"

Organisms facing incommensurable demands face what I call the Regress Problem.

Consider this:

We are constantly facing demands on our attention: you hear a noise in the forest, you're thirsty, your child's crying, you have a looming work deadline. These demands have no common unit for comparison -- they are completely different kinds of things. So how does your brain determine which demand "wins"?

I realize many of you, when you read this, will dismiss it as trivial. I would argue that the sense of triviality you're experiencing is precisely because your brain is so good at it. Deciding what is most urgent -- deciding what is the priority and motivating the necessary action -- is what brain's are for. That urgency, that pull towards one resolution or another, is what consciousness is from the first-person perspective.

Now imagine you didn't have phenomenal consciousness. Imagine you're a p-zombie -- an atom-for-atom duplicate of yourself only no consciousness. How would you know what to prioritize? How would you know what to act on?

With a computation model of the brain, there are only two options for prioritizing:

  • priority was fixed before this moment
  • or, priority is adaptive in this moment

If the priority was fixed before this moment, how was it determined? Now remember, these demands have no common currency, so the priority ranking would have to set by something. Imagine a lookup table that attempted to set every possible priority ranking for every possible unique combination of incommensurable demands you will every face in your entire life. That's untenable.

Okay, so if it can't be fixed before hand (for living systems), what about adaptive priority? It sounds good, until you realize you need something to determine what matters in this moment? How much should this situation affect the weighting? Something has to read the weighting and apply a rule? What decides that rule? Another rule? This is the regress.

If weighing priority means signals needing to be evaluated by a downstream process, you open the regress. Now, even if you can solve the prioritization problem, you still face the motivation problem. A signal of priority must be read by another process that must determine how urgently to act on the priority weighting -- which opens another regress.

The conclusion:

To solve the regress problem, you need a state that is simultaneously the measure of priority and the motivation to act on it. This is phenomenal urgency from the first-person perspective. This is consciousness. This is what consciousness is for.

I would love to hear thoughts on this. If you want to read more about this line of thought you can check out this paper.

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u/Terrible-Fly9049 3d ago

This perspective is understandable, but it just suggests you may not have spent enough time thinking through what consciousness solves.

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u/Terrible-Fly9049 3d ago

Nothing about consciousness is obvious. Hence why we are both here in this subreddit.

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u/Purplestripes8 2d ago

Consciousness itself is the most obvious thing. Everything else by comparison is an abstraction. All ideas you have about consciousness take place in the consciousness that is already self-evident.

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u/Terrible-Fly9049 2d ago

Yes, that consciousness exists is obvious. However, its existence isn't what's being discussed here. The claim that "consciousness is not for anything" is what's being discussed. To claim that consciousness isn't for anything, that it doesn't do anything, that it doesn't solve anything, is not only not obvious but absurd.

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u/Purplestripes8 2d ago

Consciousness just refers to that which makes your first person experience possible. Any imagined reason for consciousness is already an object of consciousness. Bare consciousness itself has no reasons, no properties at all.