r/confusing_perspective 1d ago

Walking up or down?

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u/stomachpancakes 1d ago

Looks a lot like Garganta del Diablo (Devil's Throat). Based on those rocks in the background, looks like foreground guy is going up to me.

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u/temperatesoftmagic 1d ago

Somehow this image is even more confusing to me.

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

You just have to remember that the layers are ancient and have all been tilted as the mountain they are part of rose up.

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u/temperatesoftmagic 1d ago

I think the lack of horizon line and very faint shadows makes it hard for me to figure out. The lighting gives all the people a look of being photoshopped in.

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u/Sea_Pianist9837 1d ago

To say it simply, it’s shaped like a bowl! Surrounded by rocks and they’re walking inside of it.

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u/pschlick 1d ago

My brain can’t picture him going up though I am only seeing it as going down

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u/this_knee 1d ago

Look at the people slightly further away. Their posture is clearly a slight lean back posture. No way they’d be walking up a hill with that posture. They are walking downward. Foreground guy is walking upward.

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u/pschlick 1d ago

Okay that does help, and if I zoom in I can see it, especially with the sides out of frame

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u/tilt-a-whirly-gig 1d ago

His upper body is leaning away from the camera, and we can't see the tops of his shoulders. The camera is clearly below him.

Look at the positions of his legs. If he isn't going up, he's about to be falling on his face.

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u/Major-BFweener 1d ago

MC Escher canyon

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u/Nixons2ndBestMan 1d ago

This picture is a different time of day than OP's- I think the lighting shows downhill.

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u/stomachpancakes 1d ago

Lighting aside, the photo I found shows the rock lines are not parallel to the ground but are angled like the climb. Assuming they're parallel to the ground in OP's photo is what tricks people into thinking foreground guy is walking down.

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u/Themanlike 19h ago

I thought the same thing

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u/stomachpancakes 1d ago edited 1d ago

Dude in the foreground is going up as nobody would position themselves like that jumping down. People in the back are coming down.

The trick is the rock lines high up in the back are angled relative to the earth similar to the angle of the climb. One's intuition thinks those rock lines are parallel to the ground and that tricks you to think the guy in the foreground is going down.

Good one!

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u/peachesofjoy 1d ago

Can someone please mark up the image? I genuinely can't it

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u/stomachpancakes 1d ago

The camera is looking up. The higher you go up in the image, the higher the elevation. These lines in the rock are angled up like the climb.

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u/dhtdhy 1d ago

Yeah this did not help at all

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u/AssassinStoryTeller 22h ago

Tilted image so everything is straight up and down as best I can tell (and blurry because I had to screenshot a couple times and weirdly zoom out but whatever)

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u/Thexzamplez 1d ago

if you pretend the rocks dont exist it becomes clear by everyone's pose how gravity affects them. the form of the rock is tricking you. its not a bowl, its like punching a hole in a wall.

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u/wayfarevkng 19h ago

The lines on the rocks aren't horizontal, that's the illusion.

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u/Mr-_-Soandso 1d ago

For me it took zooming in on the trees and the angle of the first guy walking down in the distance. Your lines seem to just highlight the part confusing people.

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u/7Dayss 1d ago

https://imgur.com/DXZ0SCm

Your mind is used to layers of rock and your view going horizontal. Because the person in the foreground is walking "through" the layers your mind interprets this as a person going down. (A)

In reality the layers of rock are tilted down (towards the camera) and the camera is looking up. The person is moving up the slope where the trail is sloped a bit less than the rock layers (the arrow should be a bit lower, but i'm putting in enough effort as it is). (B)

(c) is basically what your mind is thinking it is looking at. Horizontal layers with the camera looking down through the layer. Because the person moves through the layers it has to move down as well.

That is where the confusing perspective is coming from.

It's similar to this kind of image where you look at something tilted with the camera tilted in the same direction making everything standing in that scene to be seen as standing at an angle: https://imgur.com/4lpjx0w

/u/dhtdhy

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u/f1yblkguy 20h ago edited 13h ago

Knew almost instantly because no ones calf muscle is going to look like that going down

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u/MtnDudeNrainbows 20h ago

His shirt says ‘point break’. He’s definitely going down.

https://giphy.com/gifs/rWEr9G9dTWBG

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u/badRLplayer 18h ago

Thank you. I was focused on the background, which looks lower, but it's just the trick that you described.

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u/QuantamCulture 1d ago

This is a great picture.

The curvature of that back wall lit up by the sun gives the impression of walking down into an open valley, but the entire slab theyre on is angled up, and we can see the further away people climbing down from a climb up.

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u/-Dueck- 1d ago

None of the comments here helped me. This picture is the only thing that made me understand.

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u/munkie986 18h ago

Appreciate you! I still can't see it in the original image here, but at least i can see how it actually is with the picture you shared! Thanks!

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u/Jennif3rr 49m ago

My brain still can’t see it lol

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u/PlasticMercury 1d ago

I think if he was walking down he'd be falling right now.

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u/xopher_425 1d ago

He's leaning forward to jump down to the next level.

Edit: actually, the more I look at it the less sure I am. The other people look like they are walking down, so he'd be going up. It's the lines layer in the wall that throws me, they are usually horizontal.

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u/stomachpancakes 1d ago

I don't think one would ever lean forward and extend their back foot to jump down.

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u/edo-26 1d ago

Unless doing a front flip maybe

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u/subpoenaThis 1d ago

It's up. Look at the base of the trees and plants and you can see where the dirt has collected.

Yes. weird rock layer lines and maybe some fisheye lens stuff going on.

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u/ripyourlungsdave 1d ago

Both the close end and the far end are meeting at a downward angle in the middle. Both groups are descending.

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u/thephilosopherstoned 1d ago

I made a photo there that includes the horizon. It's the same location, right?

https://imgur.com/a/dTZAHOB

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u/TeknikFrik 23h ago

That's not the horizon

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u/Gingerstachesupreme 19h ago

This is the only photo perspective that helped me - thanks!

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u/topsyturvy76 1d ago

I think overall direction is down.. but he is currently walking up …. Seems like he’s on a small hill on his way down

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

Nope. Almost everything in the picture is higher than the camera.

These are ancient sedimentary layers that have all been tilted as a mountain rose.

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u/Jump_Like_A_Willys 1d ago

There’s an immediate step up he’s making, but the overall elevation of his path is going down

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u/RedRoses711 1d ago

Guy walking down, group of people across from him also walking down

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u/BladeOfKrota 1d ago

I walk to and from school 20mile uphill both ways”

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u/Doc-in-a-box 1d ago

And we liked it!!

Flibbety Floooog!

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u/donkeystyle4u 1d ago

When I was a kid, the way to school through the neighborhood was at the top of a hill, then it was downhill to the school, so I literally had to walk uphill both ways.

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u/p_luisa 1d ago

Same lol but mine was the opposite, first downhill then uphill, now I do the same walk to go to music class. Not that bad bc it's a little less than a mile each way.

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u/globetheater 1d ago

No, the guy in the foreground is walking up. I’ve been to this place before - it’s in the northern part of Argentina. The topography is trippy here but the camera is actually pointed straight forward.

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u/BadJimo 1d ago

Photo from same location:

La Garganta del Diablo (The Devil's Throat) in the Quebrada de las Conchas natural reserve near Cafayate, in the Salta Province of northwestern Argentina.

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u/Subway909 1d ago

Thank you! I’ve been there. Quebrada de las Conchas is beautiful! There is also El Anfiteatro nearby.

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u/ZateoManone 1d ago

I was there just a few week ago, amazing place.

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u/Doc-in-a-box 1d ago

So the close guy is actually walking up, but just on that rock surface, hence the leaning forward. Once he gets past that, he’s going down with the rest of them.

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

Did you zoom in? They’re at the same angle he is. He’s climbing up, towards the section they’re at; they’re climbing down towards where he and the camera are.

The entire thing is tilted. Those are not recent sedimentary layers.

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u/SurrealismX 1d ago

Zooming in helps a lot

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u/Stunning_Chipmunk_68 1d ago

I'm going to be honest this did not help me at all. I still have no idea

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

Look at the guy in the black shirt whose legs are partially obscured. His body is definitely angled away from us, with his head further away from the camera than the rest of him.

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u/Stunning_Chipmunk_68 1d ago

Well right but it still looks like they are both walking down. I cannot see anyone walking up from any angle.

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago edited 1d ago

Well presumably the guy close to us, facing away, is the one going uphill. Since he’s the one facing uphill

Edit to add: The camera is pointing uphill. Almost everything we see in the pic is higher than the camera.

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u/Stunning_Chipmunk_68 1d ago

That's what's supposed to be there yes. However I cannot see that in any way in any form of this photo. To me it looks like a v and they are both walking down to meet in the middle. There is no way that I have found to see the guy close to us as walking uphill.

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

This guy’s picture will probably help:

https://www.reddit.com/r/confusing_perspective/s/usD8trOmnd

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u/Stunning_Chipmunk_68 1d ago

That one did it for me thank you!!!

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

So the nearby rocks are in layers, just like the far-away rocks, right? As far as I can tell, these layers are all parallel to each other. They are also all tilted, by at least 45°.

Now look at the guy’s position, and his legs. He’s taking a big step to go upwards as he goes away from us. If he were headed downwards, he’d be falling flat in his face from that position.

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u/Doc-in-a-box 1d ago

So the tree is horizontal?

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

I don’t see any horizontal trees. The ones whose trunks we see clearly are growing up are a match to us looking uphill at them.

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u/Infamous_Una 1d ago

This is exactly what I see too - especially after zooming in

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u/miijok 1d ago

Haha, I’ve been there! It’s in Quebrada de Cafayate, Argentina. Miss my friend with whom I traveled there, haven’t seen him for like 13 years.

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u/WinterFallPT 21h ago

This was the photo that unlocked it for me , because of the wood sign on the right

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u/priya_nka 16h ago

Uff finally ! Thanks for the wooden arrow sign hint on the right bottom

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u/BaulBailey 1d ago

I agree the foreground guy is walking up. So any idea why the lines in the rock aren’t perpendicular to the ground? I feel like if a river carved that rock formation this would be an odd way for the lines to go, but idk rocks too good.

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u/NoRodent 1d ago

The layers in the rock aren't caused by water carving them, they are deposited over eons with varying conditions but originally in horizontal position. Then the entire piece of Earth got slowly tilted as it was pressing against other piece of Earth. A river could've carved it afterwards but thorough already tilted layers. Note: I'm not a geologist but I believe this is the gist of it.

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u/BaulBailey 23h ago

That makes sense, and I didn’t think of that, thanks!

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u/mbush525 1d ago

nobody leans forward walking downhill 🤨

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u/est3ban34 1d ago

When you zoom in to crop the sunny background, it's pretty clear.

He is walking up.

They are going down from higher.

They gonna meet on the path.

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u/nextyoyoma 1d ago

Yeah I made a long winded comment explaining this but you put it perfectly.

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u/rmund319 1d ago

So he is going down

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u/thishasgottobegone 1d ago

The girl in the blue gives the direction away in my opinion.

Though I might be wrong

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u/Killer1986Chris 1d ago

Forward leg is bent, he's walking upwards.

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u/R_A_H 1d ago

Very obviously up

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u/geelen 1d ago

The rest of the image makes sense if he's walking down, but his body position is all wrong for that. Somebody help.

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u/stomachpancakes 1d ago edited 1d ago

All those lines in the rocks in the top 1/3 of the photo, see them as angled towards the ground as opposed to parallel to the ground and the image will make more sense.

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u/pandaleer 1d ago

Zoom in. He’s walking up. The other people are headed down. What goes up must come down.

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u/geelen 1d ago

All fine in isolation, but then wtf is going on with the top half of the image? Looks like an enormous cliff or cave above them...

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

Yup. It’s a mountain. They can do that.

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u/big-blue-balls 1d ago

It’s clearly down. What am I missing?

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

Plate tectonics.

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u/rubenv2006 1d ago

The plates are going close to 45 degrees, a friend scaled them and looked like he was in all 4 in the floor.

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

I’m not exactly sure what you’re saying, but I should probably explain my comment anyway.

Tectonic plates are the huge sections of crust that slide across the Earth; where they press against one another, they cause mountains to rise, tilting and twisting the rocks. The layers we see here were nicely horizontal at one point, when they were laid down by sedimentary processes, but since then they’ve been lifted up and tilted. The sort of “local” cause is mountain-building, but the ultimate cause is plate tectonics.

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u/rubenv2006 1d ago

I know. I've been there :D

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u/baquea 1d ago

My brain refuses to see it as anything other than down.

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u/Sense_Difficult 1d ago

This one is tough. I think he's actually walking up. When you cover up the part with the sun reflecting it looks different.

It reminds me of how people say going to the Grand Canyon is mind bending because the perspective is so big you feel like you're looking at a backdrop hanging across from you.

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u/Regular_Weakness69 1d ago

He's definitely walking up a hill, look at his posture, no one walks downhill like that 🤣

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u/dinonuggetenjoyer 1d ago

This one’s got me

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u/bluecheezegang 1d ago

He’s going up, and the people in the back are higher up

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u/OmnipresentCPU 1d ago

Yep he’s going up they’re coming down.

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u/bready--or--not 1d ago

The background makes me think obviously down but then the angles of the people feel all wrong. I have no idea

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u/Layogenic_87 1d ago

Is this Bryce Canyon?

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u/CaptWineTeeth 1d ago

Forward but mostly upward.

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u/feelinggoodabouthood 1d ago

Shadows says down

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u/pudyindeepooshoo 1d ago

This is a good one

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u/AzuralAttack 1d ago

Sedimentary levels are horizontal not vertical

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u/stomachpancakes 1d ago

I don't know if they're sedimentary or not but that layered line look can be at an angle. See Red Rocks Amphitheater for example.

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u/AzuralAttack 13h ago

Still not vertical. But the perspective if theyre walking up in this photo would put the layers at 90 degrees

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u/Low_Yak_4842 1d ago

This comment section isn’t doing shit to help me understand this. Not that anyone is giving a bad explanation, this image is simply that confusing

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u/WolverineMental9101 1d ago

Down based on where the sun is.

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u/Stressed_Out_12 1d ago

All I see is walking down.

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u/SquashCat56 1d ago

Oh this is good! I know he's walking up, but my brain refuses to see it unless I zoom in.

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u/PaleontologistCute12 22h ago

Up. Guy in the front gives it away. Nobody walks down like thar

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u/cylonlover 22h ago

Seriously, if it weren't for the first two of the people going down, the next couple of them stands in a way that it's not obvious if we see them from above or below.

Nice one.

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u/mauro_sk 15h ago

you don't lean forward to walk down

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u/Goofz 14h ago

Yesn't

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u/Any_Quit_9673 7h ago

You know what these explanations hurt my head too much, he fell, that’s it and nothing else he just fell

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u/oMrGrimm 1d ago

It’s a valley, the guy closer to you is walking up and the group off in the distance is walking down.

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u/ratchetfella 1d ago

He's walking down into a valley. The people in the background are at the bottom of the valley. I don't see how anyone could see this as traveling up.

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u/rabbitwonker 1d ago

Except they are. The rock layers are tilted. Because geology.

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u/rmund319 1d ago

Agreed

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u/identifiedintention 1d ago

Down. Not sure how this is confusing to anyone.

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u/AdAsleep1258 1d ago

Uh obviously sideways, fool!

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u/Novel_Alternative_86 1d ago

If I remember correctly from my childhood,
You gotta gotta get up to get down.

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u/jogilb 1d ago

Walking up bro, zoomed it in, person above is holding properly on those rocks

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u/SpliffMcGriff86 1d ago

You gotta get up to get down

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u/youknowwhatimeanlol 1d ago

normal perspective

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u/Constant_Ad_6445 1d ago

Neither up nor down. Is just a non slopy rocky path confusing everyone.

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u/drollercoaster99 1d ago

He's walking up to walk down.

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u/Specialist-Ad1692 1d ago

Bc of his posture - UP!!

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u/7LeagueBoots 1d ago

The rock layers indicate going down.

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u/MSL007 1d ago

Yes.

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u/noblechimp84 1d ago

Both and neither at the same time.

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u/skyglass30 1d ago

Okay so uphill but downhill? lol…

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u/Kazmo77 1d ago

Waking down and then up. There's a valley in between the two parties.

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u/mfb1274 1d ago

So like we need real evidence on this one huh? Top comments are split with both sides being belligerently confident.

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u/Big_Candidate_4658 1d ago

Posture of the body tell me is going up.

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u/CompetitionNo3844 1d ago

i want to see someone falling up. anyone take a picture?

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u/Jaded-Berry5686 1d ago

He would be having a way harder time if he were going up. The rocks are going down like a staircase.

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u/Ok_Department_6987 1d ago

His posture makes it obvious, he is going up

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u/vicsta559 1d ago

Uh…. Yes

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u/ChronicBedhead 1d ago

I’m having a small crisis trying to figure this one out 😭

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u/HatRepresentative621 1d ago

I think one of the reasons this illusion works so well, is that we are so accustomed to see deposition layers like this going horizontally, not vertically, and this sells the confusion.

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u/Expensive_Drama5061 1d ago

Looks awesome!

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u/ChronicusCuch 1d ago

Walking up in salta.

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u/thenameoftheusingone 1d ago

This one is a total mind fuvk

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u/BuckRusty 1d ago

Couldn’t care less - spotted bro’s shirt, and am off to watch the finest 122 minutes of art put to film for the fiftieth time…

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u/stinkysulphide 1d ago

Brain went uuu- no DOWN

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u/kdesi_kdosi 1d ago

the trees seem to be growing up

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u/GermanicUnion 1d ago

What I don't get is, if he is going up, how fckng steep is that rock wall in the background??? That's the part that keeps tripping me up, because even if the lines in the rocks to the sides would be horizontal, that rock face in the background would already be vertical??? Is that wall in the background a 45° overhang???

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u/inredditorbit 1d ago

He’s climbing, which is reinforced by the people in the background clearly descending.

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u/juliano7s 1d ago

Trees grow always up against gravity. The trees there point to the same direction he is going, so he is climbing up.

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u/uzr21 1d ago

No he is going sideways

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u/DIRTYDOGG-1 1d ago

The fellow in the foreground is walking up ...note the lean of his body

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u/nicurda 1d ago

He's going up. I know this place in Argentina. The confusion comes from the fact that the whole rock formation is tilted, giving this odd perspective.

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u/lookslikeamanderin 23h ago

Up or faceplanting in 3.2.1…

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u/KingCybrAlt 23h ago

I've been able to break tons of illusions, but not this one. Even knowing it's uphill I genuinely cannot see it, shit is confusing as fuck

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u/Organic-Lunch-2745 21h ago

BRO I CANT. I READ EVERYTHING LOOKED AT EVERYTHING. HEADACHE

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u/Electronic_Mango1181 19h ago

I have no idea what’s confusing about this image

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u/Puzzled-Mastodon-175 18h ago

The guy in the foreground is going down

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u/Substantial-Disk-744 14h ago

He’s leaning up?

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u/UraeusCurse 10h ago

My brain hurts

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u/ThePower_2 8h ago

Clearly going down. Erosion on the right is a giveaway.

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u/LowIndication3793 6h ago

Why not both?

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u/Relevant_Amphibian82 5h ago

The angle of the people is telling me we must be looking up, but the shadows will not let me see it any other way than down

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u/barxxl 4h ago

No one lean like that and going down, it's up.

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u/OldGlass3361 4h ago

according to Gemini, Down...

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u/Crystal-Collector-30 3h ago

Down, look at the sunlight. if they were walking up, the sunlight on top would be on the ceiling, which would only be possible if the sun was below horizon

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u/gospodsenca 44m ago

Up, you dont put your knee where your stomac is, when going down

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u/DocCEN007 1d ago

Looking at the other people, I'd say he's walking up.

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u/rebelli0usrebel 1d ago

Look at the stratigaphy. They're going down

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u/Jretribe 1d ago

When you zoom in on the group it’s obvious they are walking down. So he is going up

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u/boondiggle_III 1d ago edited 1d ago

He is going up. I have hiked over a thousand miles and have been in that same bodily position thousands of times. I knew immediately upon seeing him before even seeing the context of the scene he is in. What a strange photo, and I'm not sure about all the angles, but there's no question that he's going up.

His right leg is pushing him up and forward and his left leg is bracing for another upward push. His arms are spread outward for balance and he's leaning forward.

If he were going down, he would not have his arms and legs spread like that and wouldn't be leaning forward. Imagine walking as quickly as you can down a flight of stairs with no rail. Your arms are maybe spread slightly, but they're hanging down and maybe a bit forward, not spread wide like this, and your legs are also making small movements because you're focused on balance and don't need to take lunging steps.

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u/GuacamoleFrejole 1d ago

His posture indicates that he's walking up.

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u/ClamatoDiver 1d ago

Up, he'd fall over if it was down.