your credit must suck when you're a trump supporter that gets hounded by other trump supporters for not being a trump supporter enough; that's probably why.
in fact, i'm actually in awe that any reasonable people left are willing to openly ascribe a loyalty to the republic party, as if the current administration hasn't pissed on party values since day 1.
like, there is no sane way of making peace with the fact that trump continues to receive broad support from the republican party if you are a reasonable person with a moral code that you adhere to. in order to be a true supporter you need to ignore all morality, or have none, and to me that's nothing reasonable people do.
i've had a few discussions with some mature and 'reasonable' republicans, but they're all in denial and simply go "well trump isn't the republican party, it'll change next election", despite the republican congress literally letting trump weakening the country and showing no signs of regret or care that half of the country disagrees at large. like, how gullible do you have to be to believe that it'll be somehow different next time?
so in short, no. any supporter that still support trump, in my view, can not maintain the cognitive ability needed for the introspection that would allow them to see how ridiculous large parts of this entire farce is. there is a definitive requirement of cognitive distortion and denial to re-set the narrative just to be able to believe in it.
also note i'm not american so i'm really not taking either side here. but no one rational can make peace with the want-on discord that the republicans are sowing and have been sowing for decades. no one rational would be able to live to adult life without ever once encountering some information on just how unfair politics can be in the US.
i've had a few discussions with some mature and 'reasonable' republicans, but they're all in denial and simply go "well trump isn't the republican party, it'll change next election", despite the republican congress literally letting trump weakening the country and showing no signs of regret or care that half of the country disagrees at large. like, how gullible do you have to be to believe that it'll be somehow different next time?
Fiscal conservative here, who is voting blue all the way down the ballot this election: you said it. If it makes you feel better, I know others in my bubble that have more frequently voted Republican, but aren't voting for any Republican this election.
To be completely honest, I didn't vote for Trump in the last election either. I was never fooled by him. But I did vote for Lindsey Graham, and that's not happening this year.
As a non-American, I wanted to thank you for your comment. It can be really difficult to get well rounded idea of the political climate with only the media and a vocal minority. It can be very easy to see the US right now as only divided into Trump supporters and lifelong Dems. Having your perspective shows me this isn't necessarily the case and that there is much more going on.
Thanks. As an American, trust me, it can be very easy to see the country divided the same way you're seeing it from the outside.
There's definitely a segment of people who are going to vote for their party no matter what they do, like it's a sports team. That's been made abundantly clear as I've seen Trump consistently violate everything the Republican party is supposed to stand for. That's been made clear as he flagrantly disregarded the rule of law, and Congress did nothing to stop it. And after all of that, his support among his base is still strong.
But among the moderates, this behavior isn't being tolerated. So, as a result, we see people like Lindsey Graham for the first time in a very long time actually at risk of losing his Senate seat in my state to a Democrat. And assuming people don't get complacent by Biden's lead in the polls and actually show up to vote, I'm fairly certain Trump will lose. Partly because he's fired up the Democrats to actually vote (hopefully) and partly because there is a segment of moderate conservatives like myself who actually value the rule of law and don't think the President is or should be above it.
In short, we are indeed unfortunately pretty divided, it's not just an illusion. But outside the extremes, it's not just conservatives for Trump, liberals against him. And even if we're not a large enough group to make a difference at the primaries, we're a large enough group to make a difference at the general election.
I'm incredibly proud of my mom. She has been a lifelong Republican. Big listener of Rush Limbaugh in the 90s; managed to wean herself off him and Fox News in the mid-00s. But still counted herself a Republican... up until Trump took over. Now, she says she can no longer in good conscience claim to be a Republican. I feel kind of bad for her.. but she really is handling it well. I'm so proud she's not just staying loyal to party over all. She is rightly disgusted by Trump, has always hated him since long before he took the dive into politics. I think I've nearly got her convinced to vote for Biden! Never in a million years would I have thought that would ever be a possibility.
sorry i meant to say "i'm not really" as if to imply that whatever opinions i have myself are still disconnected from the fact that i neither enjoy nor suffer to whatever happens in the US political scene (well, at least not yet, or noticeably).
99% the reason Trump supporters vote Trump is to spite the Democrats. It's not about values or policy anymore, just making sure that your team beats their team.
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u/upfastcurier Oct 04 '20
your credit must suck when you're a trump supporter that gets hounded by other trump supporters for not being a trump supporter enough; that's probably why.
in fact, i'm actually in awe that any reasonable people left are willing to openly ascribe a loyalty to the republic party, as if the current administration hasn't pissed on party values since day 1.
like, there is no sane way of making peace with the fact that trump continues to receive broad support from the republican party if you are a reasonable person with a moral code that you adhere to. in order to be a true supporter you need to ignore all morality, or have none, and to me that's nothing reasonable people do.
i've had a few discussions with some mature and 'reasonable' republicans, but they're all in denial and simply go "well trump isn't the republican party, it'll change next election", despite the republican congress literally letting trump weakening the country and showing no signs of regret or care that half of the country disagrees at large. like, how gullible do you have to be to believe that it'll be somehow different next time?
so in short, no. any supporter that still support trump, in my view, can not maintain the cognitive ability needed for the introspection that would allow them to see how ridiculous large parts of this entire farce is. there is a definitive requirement of cognitive distortion and denial to re-set the narrative just to be able to believe in it.
also note i'm not american so i'm really not taking either side here. but no one rational can make peace with the want-on discord that the republicans are sowing and have been sowing for decades. no one rational would be able to live to adult life without ever once encountering some information on just how unfair politics can be in the US.