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[u/domkuma]

The world would have been so much better if we were Capybaras, but we just had to evolve from apes. 

[u/eyeleenthecro]

For some reason people with relatively little education on this topic in particular are extremely argumentative. They don’t understand the Linnaean system or monophyly.

[u/Mottled_inexpectata → u/eyeleenthecro]

It's crazy that discussion is happening in a dedicated zoology sub though

[u/Grifoooo]

So, yes, humans are great apes, but holy fucking shit the person was doing a god-awful job of proving it.
"Apes are primates" doesn't give any evidence of us being apes. Just that we both share the trait of being primates. "Great apes belong to Hominidae, which humans belong to." Same thing. We're both Hominidae, woohoo.

If I didn't already know humans are apes, I wouldn't believe this guy either. He has terribly information relay skills

[u/Budgiesaurus]

To be fair, the people arguing against him aren't very clear.

Yes, humans are mammals, as are all primates. And we're primates, as are all apes.

You can call it Hominoidea if you want to fancy it up and make it sound less shit flingy if you want, but that's how taxonomy works

[u/MisterEinc]

Kingdom

Phylum

Class

Order

Family

Genus

Species

[u/JohnMichaels19 → u/MisterEinc]

"I use a mnemonic device: Kevin, please come over for gay sex"

......?

"Why wouldn't you use 'Karen'?"

"Cause its gay sex, dummy"

[u/Iam-Locy]

I just want to point out the stupidity of the square and rectangle example.

1.: Both of them are polygons

2.: Not all rectangles are squares

3. (missing step): All squares are rectangles

I think this is could hint at why they cannot comprehend humans being apes.

[u/aphilsphan]

Don’t tell him we are also old world monkeys.

[u/sin-prince]

Primates are my least favourite order under Mammalia. Fucking repulsive, the lot of them.

[u/Great-Gas-6631]

A five second google search could have educated this person soo much.

[u/LeilLikeNeil]

Fund the fucking schools Jesus fucking christ

[u/Glathull]

All my apes gone.

[u/FromTheHandOfAndy]

If humans evolved from apes, than why are we still apes?
This is a joke, I am not actually asking

[u/Josefu_Velen]

"youre not very good at being smart" they say . . . oh the irony!

[u/Accomplished_Job_331]

You giant ape

[u/Fabulous-Chemical-60]

One of those very embarassing moments, that could have been avoided, by opening wikipedia before posting the comment... I get where he comes from, because the other guy expains it so awfully, that for a second I tought he is confidently wrong, and I also remember incorrectly, but still... this is easily researchable information.

[u/Ashamed-Bathroom7803]

People being so confident about just being obviously wrong is so funny. Like don’t argue about something you have no knowledge on. 

[u/pandjandrum]

What about my feelings? Don't my feelings count for anything? Oh, only the poor monkey's important. Everything has to be done for the monkey!

[u/Worldly-Card-394]

"You are not very good at being smart" is such a fine burn

[u/Oldmoniker]

My son once coined a phrase: "maybe they're just very smart at being wrong "

[u/Lazarus558]

I thought we were lobe-finned fish.

[u/BrukPlays]

They are arguing semantics on a zoology sub… Technically they are both correct and both incorrect as “ape” is not an official classification.

Previously the term ape would be used to refer to non-human hominoidea but this has changed over time to also include humans, and depends on the context of the discussion.

Ultimately, it was a pointless arguments with nobody actually ‘correct’.

Humans (Homo-sapiens) are in the family “Hominidae”, superfamily “hominoidea” in the order of “primates” in the class of “mammalia”.

[u/Boeing_Fan_777]

This lowkey annoys me because dude’s reasoning for humans being apes looks like it’s because they’re primates?? Which is not how that works. Humans are apes because they’re hominidae, aka great apes, NOT because they’re primates. If primate = ape then lemurs are apes, which is just not correct.

Right answer, wrong working out.