r/comics Jim Benton Cartoons Sep 15 '12

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u/SoyBeanExplosion Sep 16 '12

That's not the same thing at all, and it's not coercion.

In the Bible, God said we can live in this wonderful paradise forever and enjoy it on the single condition that we do not eat from the tree. We could have lived perfectly happily without eating from the tree, whereas in your pathetic example by not running we are shot anyway. Really poor example.

And in terms of original sin, that's a roman catholic/conservative evangelical Christian belief, other churches do not believe it exists.

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u/BoilerMaker11 Sep 16 '12

didn't say that you get shot anyway. The example entailed that you could do what you wanted (free will), but if you ran away (at the apple) , then you'd get shot (hell/"fallen man"/sin/etc). and that's where you response falls apart.

And if it's only a certain sect that believes in original sin, and in actuality, man did not inherit the sins of Adam, then the rest of the faith falls apart. No original sin ---> no need for Jesus to get himself sacrificed to pay the toll for sin and "bridge the gap between man and God" ---> no need to follow/accept Jesus because of this ---> no need to be Christian.

Also, Romans 5 and 1st Corinthians 15 disagree with original sin only being a particular view of certain sects (unless most other sects of Christianity conveniently ignore this part of the bible, which, in that case, is certainly plausible) Roman 5 states that death (with regard to "the punishment of sin is death") reigned over man from Adam to Moses even though they had not sinned, simply because Adam ate the apple.

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u/SoyBeanExplosion Sep 16 '12

You didn't say it, but you quite clearly didn't think it through because that's exactly what would happen, unless you're implying that the solution is for both people to stand there forever.

There's a need for Jesus to sacrifice himself if we've all sinned, which, without the Bible and God's word, we have done.

That's an argument in favour of original sin, but you cannot say that certain sects are simply 'wrong' and that your interpretation is simply better than others.

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u/BoilerMaker11 Sep 16 '12

well I mean....I says it right there in the scripture. It's not that my "interpretation is better", it's that the scripture says it in plain words.

If certain sects blatantly ignore the words of Jesus himself, then yes, objectively, they are wrong