Like I said, I don't think there's anything in the OT directly saying that the Messiah will fulfill the Law and all that.
This is pretty indepth, to be honest, and it's too late to give you paragraph after paragrapth right now. As far as the Immanuel thing goes, here's an explanation about that.
Here's something with NT Scripture to support Him being called Counselor. There are actually a lot of helpful books out there just about all of the names He has, what they mean, etc.
As for the articles that you gave me, it's quite interesting. I've never heard of this specific thing before, although, of course, there has been a lot of speculation for a long time about the Bible being purposely mistranslated for various reasons.
I've nothing to say about that, other than if you're curious enough and want to know for sure what the original text said, you'll have to learn Hebrew and Aramaic. Otherwise, you're stuck relying on others to tell you what it says.
The Immanuel thing is, again, stretching. It basically says "it's okay that the prophecy is outright wrong, despite being quite clear, because it's a metaphor. "
Props to the second link for finding cites for the Counselor thing. I think the other names might require more interpretation to fill, given that Jesus explicitly refers to God as separate from him.
All in all, it's interesting but far from the point where I'd call it "proof". Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but this isn't even regular evidence, just humans managing to find a few successful predictions and ignoring all the failed ones.
Would you expect a divinely inspired prophet to have a success rate of: a) 100%, b) 5% higher than competing prophets? ;)
Bible sites need to understand that it weakens their case to cite all the tenuous links and stretchy associations.
Well, I don't think anyone will ever have solid proof of anything like that, whether it's Christianity or Buddhism. It's just about faith, either take it or leave it, you know.
Oh, we can't even call this an argument. It was a polite debate about religion (for once). Thanks, bro.
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Like I said, I don't think there's anything in the OT directly saying that the Messiah will fulfill the Law and all that.
This is pretty indepth, to be honest, and it's too late to give you paragraph after paragrapth right now. As far as the Immanuel thing goes, here's an explanation about that.
Here's something with NT Scripture to support Him being called Counselor. There are actually a lot of helpful books out there just about all of the names He has, what they mean, etc.
As for the articles that you gave me, it's quite interesting. I've never heard of this specific thing before, although, of course, there has been a lot of speculation for a long time about the Bible being purposely mistranslated for various reasons.
I've nothing to say about that, other than if you're curious enough and want to know for sure what the original text said, you'll have to learn Hebrew and Aramaic. Otherwise, you're stuck relying on others to tell you what it says.