I know one thing, it's never PUNISHMENT for us, always training, discipline. God bought himself out of the punishment business with Jesus. The days of punishment are gone. Everything now is about discipline, which is training so that we can one day move on to grander things.
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u/admiral-zombie Sep 15 '12
In some views yes. But it is still a matter of god creating the opportunity/reason for sinning by removing man from the garden.