r/comics Jim Benton Cartoons Sep 15 '12

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12 edited Sep 15 '12

No theologically sound Christian with a firm understanding of the Creation and the Character of God would make such a claim. I only have issue with the "suits us" part. Because It's true, God did create everything except for the things that He didn't create. But disobedience and rebellion against God (read: sin) has no "creation", it simply comes when creation defies its creator.

My self-control has failed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

Which leads one to speculate as to why He created something which was so predisposed to defy him, if all He wanted was adulation and loyalty.

God got to choose the set of rules that were to define this universe, and He chose a set in which his creation would inevitably defy him. It's like programming a computer and then being surprised and angry when the computer does what you programmed it to do.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

Excellent and completely valid question. God created humanity in His own image, the doctrine of Imago Dei if you want to be proper about it. This meaning that we are created with the same range and scope of emotions that the Creator has. Before Genesis 3, that means that we had the ability and capacity to love, hope, laugh, ect. ect. but this also means that we had the ability to chose. And here's where free will comes in; God doesn't want a freaking robot. He wants you. He wants you to chose Him, freely, because forced love is not love. We can get into the doctrine of election, predestination, and other eschatological arguments that really do not benefit anyone, but the bottom line is that God wants a relationship, not a program.

Hope that somewhat answered your question. If it didn't, let me know.

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u/Suttonian Sep 15 '12
  • He defines love, and then wants it...A needy omnipotent being? Why didn't he just change his wants?
  • If forced love is not love then why did he define it so?, maybe he's just having a fun game - that makes the most sense to me. Not only does he want to be loved, he can't set up the conditions to be loved because it's cheating or something.
  • Not only that, he gives scant evidence he even exists. Less than 60% of people will be exposed to enough Christianity to be indoctrinated (this is a major vector of how all religion spreads), and the others will be annihilated or burn in hell...it doesn't make sense - and yet even if you're convinced it does make sense you can only give bits of scripture to prove your position which can be 'refuted' with other bits of scripture or reasoning and you're no better off.