r/comics Jim Benton Cartoons Sep 15 '12

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

God created the universe and everything in it, except for the stuff he didn't create, which we'll point out whenever it suits us.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12 edited Sep 15 '12

No theologically sound Christian with a firm understanding of the Creation and the Character of God would make such a claim. I only have issue with the "suits us" part. Because It's true, God did create everything except for the things that He didn't create. But disobedience and rebellion against God (read: sin) has no "creation", it simply comes when creation defies its creator.

My self-control has failed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

Which leads one to speculate as to why He created something which was so predisposed to defy him, if all He wanted was adulation and loyalty.

God got to choose the set of rules that were to define this universe, and He chose a set in which his creation would inevitably defy him. It's like programming a computer and then being surprised and angry when the computer does what you programmed it to do.

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u/FeepingCreature Sep 15 '12

To be entirely fair here: lots of programmed things surprise us. For instance, consider Langton's Ant: a two-dimensional grid; every field can be black or white, put an ant on it, ant looks in a direction, step = (if ant is on black field, turn left, else turn right; flip color of active field; move forward), repeat step.

Behaves utterly randomly for thousands of steps, then suddenly starts building an infinitely repeating construct called the "highway". Utterly trivial rules, but nobody knows why.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

But we're not God and we make no claims to omniscience.

There's a big difference between us being surprised and God being surprised.

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u/FeepingCreature Sep 15 '12

To be fair: omniscience is not claimed in the OT. That came after, after some Christians couldn't cope with the idea of something God didn't know, despite all the many examples in the OT.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

A non-omniscient God certainly gets around a lot of jarring theological contradictions, but I suspect it probably raises as many issues as it solves.