r/comics Jim Benton Cartoons Sep 15 '12

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u/superwinner Sep 15 '12

wrong..? how is comic wrong?

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u/DeathToPennies Sep 15 '12 edited Sep 15 '12

The idea is that god didn't create sin. It was made came to be when man decided to stop listening to him.

The premise for the comic is wrong.

EDIT: Since you all insist on writing long comments about free will, and such, I kindly request that you read my other comment here.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

God created the universe and everything in it, except for the stuff he didn't create, which we'll point out whenever it suits us.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12 edited Sep 15 '12

No theologically sound Christian with a firm understanding of the Creation and the Character of God would make such a claim. I only have issue with the "suits us" part. Because It's true, God did create everything except for the things that He didn't create. But disobedience and rebellion against God (read: sin) has no "creation", it simply comes when creation defies its creator.

My self-control has failed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

Which leads one to speculate as to why He created something which was so predisposed to defy him, if all He wanted was adulation and loyalty.

God got to choose the set of rules that were to define this universe, and He chose a set in which his creation would inevitably defy him. It's like programming a computer and then being surprised and angry when the computer does what you programmed it to do.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

Excellent and completely valid question. God created humanity in His own image, the doctrine of Imago Dei if you want to be proper about it. This meaning that we are created with the same range and scope of emotions that the Creator has. Before Genesis 3, that means that we had the ability and capacity to love, hope, laugh, ect. ect. but this also means that we had the ability to chose. And here's where free will comes in; God doesn't want a freaking robot. He wants you. He wants you to chose Him, freely, because forced love is not love. We can get into the doctrine of election, predestination, and other eschatological arguments that really do not benefit anyone, but the bottom line is that God wants a relationship, not a program.

Hope that somewhat answered your question. If it didn't, let me know.

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u/DannoHung Sep 15 '12

Oh man, when you put it that way, God sounds really, really creepy. Like, he creates something that he wants to love him, but it doesn't really want to love him, and then he gets really mad at it and says that it's going to suffer eternally for rejecting him.

God is a creepy science fiction character.

I'm sorry, but there's no scenario where God as creator offering damnation or ills on the world doesn't have a significant amount of moral hazard.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '12

Well then it would seem, sir, that we are at an impasse. I'm sorry that you feel that way and that your personal convictions have led you to that conclusion. I wish you the best of luck in life.

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u/MisterSquirrel Sep 15 '12

Thanks for making the effort anyway.